# EP 04: Omarchy Sunday Social: The One Where Wes Touched the Kernel Part of "Omarchy! Omarchy! Omarchy!", the weekly Omarchy X Space. Every Sunday, 3pm EST, live on X. - Recorded: Sunday, October 4, 2026, 3pm EST - Length: 105 minutes - Speakers: 13+ - Hosts: @ncfrontiersman, @NixFred - Listen: https://x.com/i/spaces/1pKdRDvlMqdJW - Post on X: https://x.com/NixFred - Web: https://omarchyspaces.com/ep/04/ ## Summary (as posted on X by @NixFred) Omarchy Sunday Social, Episode 4: the one where Wes touched the kernel Wes and I just happen to be the hosts...YOU are the star!!! Recorded Sunday, October 4, 2026. An hour and forty five minutes, 155 tuned in, 11 people came up to speak, and every one of them was building something. Listen: https://x.com/i/spaces/1pKdRDvlMqdJW Full write-up and the complete transcript: https://omarchyspaces.com/ep/04/ WHO WAS IN THE ROOM @ncfrontiersman Wes Grimes, host, OmaStorm, now officially on the Omarchy M team. Me nixfred, co-host. In the order they spoke: @NotJustShaking Lee Shand. @letsbuildanyway Portia. @omarchyftrou Katherine Prawl. @thebytorsnowdog Snowy, live from Scotland. @TheAITradeoff Ivan. @Kingmk3r King Maker, Austin. @flyawayzephyr60 the Super Friendly Aviator. @tim_sonner Tim Sonner. @calledtocnstrct Called To Construct. @maralcbr Marcelo Alcantara, Australia. @hicsfh Chris Hallas, the man behind Atmos. Omarchy put up a $100,000 bug bounty on HackerOne and hired a head of security, Mehmet, who spoke at the London meetup. The foundation keeps raising, now over $13 million committed. The plugin marketplace closed 1,423 issues in a single week. DHH is building an agents panel because he figured out most of us run more than one agent. You can buy a laptop with Omarchy already on it. And somebody walked into an Apple Store and found a MacBook running Omarchy. Wes on the money: "Okay, we've got all this money. What are we going to do with it, how are we going to steward it well?" His answer is that the bounty is the right kind of answer. There has been criticism that Omarchy is less secure because it is built so fast with agents, and a $100,000 bounty is putting the money where the mouth is. WES TOUCHED THE KERNEL This week Wes shipped full Apple Studio Display support on Omarchy Mac, his first contribution with PRs in both the kernel and the OS. He does not like talking about himself, so I made him. It started with a very expensive monitor sitting in a closet. On Omarchy Mac the display lit up and nothing else worked: not the webcam, not the speakers, not the Thunderbolt hub, not the brightness. He upgraded to Opus 5.5, put the display on the kitchen table, and said "All right, Opus. Let's figure this out together." The wild part is how they figured it out. The Studio Display is not a normal monitor. In his words it is almost like a mini iPhone inside the monitor, and you have to talk to it differently. So Wes and Opus set up a tracer on his work MacBook running macOS, watched how macOS changes the volume and the brightness, reverse engineered the conversation, and carried it back to Linux. The fix lives in the Aurora kernel the M team maintains, and it is C. His instructions to the agent: "This is a kernel that works great. It's fast. Make the changes surgical. Don't break behavior for others." Webcam first, then audio. The moment lo-fi came out of the monitor's speakers he knew it was real. The repo makes this safe. Your test kernel installs as a second boot entry, so you boot into it, same OS, different kernel, and your main entry is never touched. If it goes bad you reboot into the old one. He tested every port, because unplugging from the right side port and plugging back in froze the display. Chris on the M team cut a new Aurora release and the team tested it together. Brightness was the hard one. Everything Opus expected to work did not, because the display is not a normal DisplayPort monitor. When the brightness finally jumped to 100 percent he said yes out loud. The last step was the OS side: the kernel now exposes brightness through brightnessctl, so the keyboard keys just call it. Friday afternoon, Friday night and all of Saturday. "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast." He did it alongside Joshua Warren and the rest of the M team, and his read on the whole thing: "It sounds scarier than it is." On agents: Wes runs Codex and Opus 5.5 side by side, builds with one and has the other try to prove it is broken. His line on keeping an eye on usage: "It's almost like cell phone minutes back in the day." LEE @NotJustShaking Lee Shand, who told us last week what Omarchy is for, came back with hardware. Waveshare sent him a cheap touchscreen panel, about $70 for the 10 inch, and he is wiring it to Omarchy over wireless so a person can press a big button instead of remembering a key chord. Super Space becomes a button. Make the buttons as big as you need. For people who are shaky, or who cannot hold the shortcuts in memory, that is the whole ballgame. He says it is part one of several, and it does not have to be that brand. We are not affiliated with the company, use it at your own risk. Lee is up to a secret project for Omarchy Different Minds, stay tuned on that one! PORTIA @letsbuildanyway Portia came up to ask what she called the stupid questions, and they were exactly the right questions. What is the agents panel actually, and is it apps or APIs? She runs Claude Cowork, DeepSeek, the Fable API, and mostly the Hermes harness with several agents inside it. Wes cleared it up: today the omarchy.agents plugin shows your usage behind a little robot in the bar, and the default agent is just the key binding plus the "Click to diagnose with AI" notification that opens your agent on the system logs. @dhh 's panel is the next step, making it easy to move between agents. Her win of the week: she connected Obsidian to Hermes, and having a single source of truth the harness can read was a big step up. KATHERINE @omarchyftrou Katherine Prawl got on a mic for the first time on this computer and launched a newsletter in front of us: Omarchy for the Rest of Us, at omarchy-ftrou.com. She installed Omarchy a month ago, says she is not a practiced developer, and had a Grok bot build the whole newsletter backend in 48 hours. The writing is hers. Wes, for everyone who has been buried in AI walls of text: "I love AI, but I don't like the way it writes." Go subscribe. SNOWY @thebytorsnowdog Nearly 9pm in Scotland. Snowy is a civil engineer, trained to put pipes in the ground so water can go through them, not software. This week he shipped his first Omarchy app and submitted four reports to the new bug bounty, with his agents doing the finding and walking him through HackerOne. One came back as a duplicate, three are rated high and waiting in the queue. He ran the Apple MLX data check on his M5 Max MacBook Pro for the M team. He is 50 and his line was "Where has this been for the last 30 years of my life?" He also built OmaMap, an open source spatial data viewer. The GIS software at work was not running well, so he built a proof of concept, then made Codex and Claude fight over it: one builds, the other hunts for bugs, swap, repeat. The work version is sitting with his IT department, "where good ideas go to die." So he converted it into an Omarchy app and put it on GitHub. He ended the week with spare tokens and is offering them to anyone who needs PRs. Wes on what that means: operating systems used to be built in an ivory tower where you signed in blood to see the source. Now the people who want to fix it get to fix it. "It's like a true community-built operating system in the most true way." IVAN @TheAITradeoff Ivan picked that up and ran with it. He is not a programmer, and Omarchy is the first place his ideas did not hit a wall. He put Omarchy on an Evo X2 a week ago and on an M1 Air last night, and overnight he built a MeshCore plugin. His local machine and his local models now take messages over a MeshCore mesh radio network, no cell signal, no internet. He tried the same thing on an M4 Mac months ago and gave up. Picture an outage, a node in your pocket, and your models at home still answering. Wes called it the alternate internet from Silicon Valley. It is headed for the marketplace in a day or two. KING MAKER @Kingmk3r Howdy from Texas. King Maker is running an Omarchy meetup in Austin this Friday at a coffee shop, signups on Luma. Five people so far, on ACL weekend, in the rain. There will be door prizes for the oldest potato and the best potato setup. If you are near Austin, go. The handle is Game of Thrones, not politics. THE SUPER FRIENDLY AVIATOR @flyawayzephyr60 A chief pilot for a private charter company who was a software engineer first. He saw Wes post that he was running low on tokens, messaged him, and offered to build an aviation layer for OmaStorm, because he wants it on the wall of his ops room someday. Wes said go for it. Yesterday he made his kids, two and four, a princess game and a planes and trains game in half an hour. "This is like the first time in 20 years that computers have been fun again." Wes's advice to him and to everyone: put your stuff in a repo, even private, even if it is garbage. His agent knows that once a project gets past the third prompt, it is time to make a repo. He also left a tip for anyone stuck on a work Mac: AeroSpace with Omarchy key bindings, plus Karabiner holding Caps Lock as Super. Wes has been running exactly that on his work Mac since the Aviator told him. TIM @tim_sonner Tim Sonner brought a workflow worth stealing: record a demo of your PR, post it on X, and put the link to that post in the PR. Maintainers see it working, everybody else gets to follow along. He has been live streaming public building with Victorio and wants more people doing it. He runs Omarchy on a 2020 Intel MacBook with the T2 chip, has been working out the fingerprint reader on it, and offered help to anyone with that hardware. Today he posted a gist for me to hand straight to my agent. That is collaboration now. His last word: do not let fear get in the way of contributing. CALLED TO CONSTRUCT @calledtocnstrct Decades of software development, came in just before Omarchy 3. Yesterday he sat his daughter, who has four kids and has never written a program, in front of an Omarchy laptop and had her type a game idea into a text editor for 15 minutes. He handed it to Grok Build, they talked it through for half an hour, and out came a single HTML file. The kids swarmed the table, then the adults took turns. Last week he asked each grandkid for their favorite thing, Pokemon, ice cream, Monster Trucks, built each one an Omarchy theme, and taught them Super Space and Super W. Best week he has had in a long time. His idea for the room is bundles: a few apps, a couple of plugins, and skill files so your AI knows how to use them, with an intro markdown on top. What would an aviation bundle look like? Wes loved it: a builder's kit for high schoolers, like the Mark Rober kits that come in the mail, or AI native kits for industries stuck on expensive custom software nobody can maintain. He could see it in Omarchy itself. There is a discussion up on the Omarchy GitHub, so go upvote it and comment. He is also helping with triage and packaging PRs. I asked him one personal question: did he get that kid at Disney World feeling watching their faces? His first computer was an original IBM at 11, and his father, a math teacher, had him plot equations on screen in graphics mode. He had nobody to share it with then. "And now my daughter, who's middle-aged, has four kids, never written a program in her life... within half an hour, she had a game that all four of the kids could play." MARCELO @maralcbr Calling in from the east coast of Australia at 6:26AM(!) on a Monday morning holiday. Marcelo is a principal AI engineer and architect on the Omarchy M team, and tokenomics is his day job. He had receipts on the week in AI pricing: the DGX Spark's memory cut in half to 64 at the same price, which is a price doubling, OpenAI cutting the credits on its $200 Pro plan, and models that seem to get quietly quantized weeks after launch with no transparency about it. Then the Mac news. On the Aurora kernel, M1 and M2 are done except Touch ID, which is in final testing. People are on the GPU for M3 through M6, the Neo is about 95 percent there, and the goal is every model. And for the people asking: this is not Asahi. Asahi does not accept AI written code, and the M team does, with real engineering discipline around it. Wes backed him up: using AI is not vibe coding. His lab: one laptop driving three others, wired so they can be cold booted to retest kernels, plus an x86 server so every Mac change gets checked against regular installs. He is also building OmaPlay, his own Plex now that Plex wants a monthly subscription, about 75 percent done with transcriptions and resume across episodes. And he is testing a multi GPU server for 0xSero's local AI work, with MLX on the Mac planned later. CHRIS HALLAS AND ATMOS @hicsfh Chris started with Omakub, DHH's Ubuntu take, before Omarchy. He tried Linux many times and never had the time to make it livable. DHH and Ryan took that away. "The malleable OS is not just something we say. It's true." He built Atmos, the control panel for a mouse person who cannot remember every shortcut. Sensors and charts, your key bindings laid out visually, hardware, drivers, disk, power, and Omarchy's own hooks, where you can see what runs on an update and add your own. Plus the Oma file: export your setup as readable markdown that Atmos can re-apply, or that you can hand to an LLM and say set my machine up like this. I drop Atmos down like a Quake terminal on a Super key and I use its exports to clone and back up my machines. He called Atmos a happy accident. The idea was always the easy part, now you can go from "I wonder" to running. Chris volunteers alongside Wes in the group having the conversations about where config like this goes next, and he thinks GM's Flee is headed for mainline. With Omarchy's own kernel, he wants Atmos reaching into deep kernel settings. Wes said OmaStorm was an accident too: Labor Day weekend, "Let me see," and then you are on the other side. TOP 10 SIGNS YOU HAVE BEEN OMARCHY-PILLED 10. You found a MacBook at the Apple Store already running Omarchy. 9. Your laptop has a better travel life than you do. 8. You reach for Super on your work Mac. 7. Someone told you Omarchy is just dotfiles and you agreed, because those dotfiles have millions of dollars behind them. 6. You converted a coworker before the first talk at the meetup. 5. You keep an Omarchy resurrection queue of dead laptops in the garage. 4. You learned every shortcut from a game and now play Hyprland like a Stratocaster. 3. Your Steam Deck runs Omarchy and the back buttons scroll. 2. You put a Windows XP wallpaper on an old MacBook running Omarchy, just to mess with people. 1. There is a $100k bounty for bugs in Omarchy and you are suddenly very interested in testing. ASKS ON THE TABLE Go to King Maker's Austin meetup Friday if you are anywhere close. Subscribe to Katherine's newsletter, Omarchy for the Rest of Us. Upvote and comment on the bundles discussion on the Omarchy GitHub. Watch for Ivan's MeshCore plugin in the marketplace this week. If you have an Apple Silicon Mac, the M team wants your data. Snowy already sent his. Everybody: follow everybody in the room. We are small and we all like the same things. NEXT SUNDAY Same time, 3pm EST. If you did not get to speak today, we are sorry, X Spaces dropped a few of you between request and stage. Come back. Help an old lady across the street, and when you get her over there, put Omarchy on her laptop. ## Transcript Machine generated. Speaker labels come from the transcription tool and are reused for different people; the summary says who is who. @ncfrontiersman: One, two, three. Hello. @ncfrontiersman: The co-host, can you hear me okay? @NixFred: I can. You might want to turn your gain down just a tad. How about me? @ncfrontiersman: Yep. How about now? Is that any better? @NixFred: Yeah, that's a lot better, brother. @ncfrontiersman: Okay. @NixFred: I'm not coming at you. I just want you to sound great. @ncfrontiersman: No, that's good. @NixFred: Fair enough. Look at that, we already got Rook and Tim. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. @NixFred: That's a sign of it's going to happen today, man. I'm excited. @ncfrontiersman: Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, Tim and Rook, if y'all share, for people to join, retweet it, get people in here. @ncfrontiersman: We've got too many stragglers the last few weeks that come in late, so. Hope y'all are doing good today. @NixFred: I'm hitting all of my peeps. I also hit that big chat group. @ncfrontiersman: Oh, yeah. @NixFred: If you want to do that too, Wes, that'd be amazing. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. @NixFred: That's where we'll get some beef. @ncfrontiersman: I'm nervous. @NixFred: You know what? If Paul, Rook, and Tim are here, that's enough for me, brother. We got a quick. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Yep. Paul, I hope you're doing good. @ncfrontiersman: Give me a thumbs up if you're doing all right. @NixFred: Yeah. Rook and Tim, if y'all hear us. @ncfrontiersman: Let's see. Well, I saw a thumbs up from them earlier, so I think they're. @NixFred: Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: There we go. There we go. @NixFred: There we go. @ncfrontiersman: Rocking rolling. Very good. Yeah, I'm talking to you from I got my Apple Studio Display hooked up. @NixFred: Oh, yeah. Well, I've got a whole thing I want to talk about, about your shipping the Apple Studio Display Brightness Control on a MACHI M Series. So I got a whole thing about that. @NixFred: And I think Josh would help you out, did he not? @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Yeah. I've been working with Josh and then this guy. @NixFred: As well. @ncfrontiersman: And BI9Kahana. @NixFred: Yeah. Yeah. Scott Jones. @NixFred: Yeah, man. I do my research, brother. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. We're on the M team together, so. @NixFred: Yeah, that's amazing. @ncfrontiersman: But yeah. @NixFred: Let's get there. We got Ivan joining. We're going to be live well, we got a minute, but you're the host and I'm the co-host, so you let me know when you want to get running. @ncfrontiersman: Okay. Yeah. We'll give just a couple more. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah, Ivan, I don't think I've seen you before. Welcome. @ncfrontiersman: Good to have you. @NixFred: Yeah. Everybody follow everybody. Sorry to interrupt you, Wes. @NixFred: I won't do that in this one. @ncfrontiersman: No, that's fine. Information overload. Looks like maybe a new one. @ncfrontiersman: Not sure. @ncfrontiersman: Lee's here. @NixFred: My man, Lee is here. Sweet. @ncfrontiersman: Lee is here. If we were in person, I'd give you all a handshake. @NixFred: That's right. I called Snowy a woman last week. Well, I didn't. @NixFred: My agent did. So apologies, Snowy. @NixFred: I don't think he likes me. That's all right. @NixFred: Well, like my tweet says, "People often ask me, 'Fred, I don't like you.'" @NixFred: Oh, man. All right. @NixFred: Let's get the screen situated here. @ncfrontiersman: All right. @ncfrontiersman: Well, welcome for the folks who dropped in. Let's see. @ncfrontiersman: Jacob, we got is that Jeff? I think that's Jeff. @ncfrontiersman: Yep. @NixFred: My name, Jeff. @ncfrontiersman: My name, Jeff. My name, Jeff. @NixFred: I don't think anybody got my joke when I was saying my name, Jeff. @ncfrontiersman: I got it. @NixFred: Oh, you did? Okay. That means. @ncfrontiersman: I couldn't think about anything else when they came out with it. @NixFred: Oh, okay. So it's not. Well, all right. @NixFred: Perfect. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. No, is that still a thing anymore? Is that already sold? @NixFred: No, no, no. I mean the Jeff thing. You know. @NixFred: Just like anything else. And Omarchy's going to be one of them too. @NixFred: It hits the internet core and people go crazy for it and it fades away. My notes say that the Omicon Foundation got to $13 million committed funding. @NixFred: Oh, they added $13 million from let's see. All right. @NixFred: Folks, you're here in the pre-show where we just figure our stuff out. So apologies. @ncfrontiersman: Yep. Portia, welcome. Let's see who else we got. @NixFred: Portia. @ncfrontiersman: André. We got called to construct. Lots of folks hopping in. @ncfrontiersman: All right. Well, I'll tell you what. @ncfrontiersman: Let's go ahead and get started. Chris has already hopped in. @ncfrontiersman: Daniel. So yeah. @ncfrontiersman: Fred, it's another one. How many are we at now? @ncfrontiersman: Is this four? @NixFred: This is four, sir. @ncfrontiersman: Number four. All right. @NixFred: Which means it's a month. And man, a month seems like it seems like a year and a half ago, man. Especially since I got to know you, man. @NixFred: I've been getting to know you a little bit better. And you're such a good person, brother. @NixFred: This community is full of them. Portia's been interacting with me a whole lot this week. @NixFred: Lee's been interacting this week. And it's just been nice, man. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. I agree. It's beautiful to watch it blossom. @ncfrontiersman: Basky, how you doing? I see you hopped in. @ncfrontiersman: But yeah, it's been wonderful. So yeah, let's get this train going. @ncfrontiersman: I want to make sure we give folks the time to share and ask questions of each other. We can talk a little bit about what I've been working on with the Omarchy M team and the MAC stuff. @ncfrontiersman: And we can talk a little bit more about how folks' dev workflows are going. Because I know that was a popular topic last time. @ncfrontiersman: We were talking about Hermes and Kanban and just want to dig into that a little bit. And yeah, I mean, Fred, how are you doing, man? @ncfrontiersman: You got any. @NixFred: I'm doing great, man. Our fourth episode. We're moving right along. @NixFred: Same house rules as always. No politics. @NixFred: No egos. Raise your hand if you want to tell us about what you're building. @NixFred: And if you're stuck, we want to help. I think a couple of the things that happened this week are Omarchy put up a $100,000 bug bounty. @NixFred: They hired a head of security. The foundation keeps raising millions and millions of dollars. @NixFred: The marketplace that Hancore runs closed 1,400 issues. Not PRs, but issues this week. @NixFred: One of the big ones is DHH is building an agent panel. If you saw, he was tweeting out that he thought at the beginning, they just kind of assigned it if you've used Omarchy and every one of you have, you assign a default agent. @NixFred: And he figured out that most people have more than one agent. So he's coding for that. @NixFred: You can now buy a laptop with Omarchy already on it at the private, with a laptop already on it, which is cool. Somebody walked into an Apple store and found a MacBook running Omarchy, which I kind of laughed about and tweeted about a couple of weeks ago, but here we are. @ncfrontiersman: That's awesome. @NixFred: What do you think, Wes? @ncfrontiersman: Well, yeah. So many good things. So a lot of money flowing into the foundation. @ncfrontiersman: I'm sure a lot of people are going to be like, "Okay, we've got all this money. What are we going to do with it, right? @ncfrontiersman: How are we going to steward it well?" Because there's a lot that you could do. @ncfrontiersman: So I think it'd be cool. @NixFred: And money really shows what your real intentions are. So how you spend your money is what you're thinking about. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Yeah. That's right. @ncfrontiersman: That's right. So I think things like the bug bounty and hiring some folks full-time to focus on some of these issues, that's great. @ncfrontiersman: Like you said, the head of security. I think that that person, Mehmet, I think it is. @NixFred: Yes, it is. @ncfrontiersman: Spoke at the Omarchy London. So I don't know if Fundy's on, but maybe we could hear about how that went as well. @NixFred: Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: So yeah, the bug bounty. I think that's awesome. There's a lot of well, there has been historically a little bit of criticism about, "Oh, Omarchy, it's not as secure, right, because it's being built so quickly and all that with agents." @ncfrontiersman: But I think that that commitment to that bounty shows the commitment to having a secure operating system. And so putting the money where the mouth is, right? @ncfrontiersman: And so. @NixFred: You bet, man. @ncfrontiersman: I think that's fantastic. And then the plug-in. Yeah, the agents plug-in that DHH is putting together. @ncfrontiersman: The thing I thought was cool about that is, and I haven't looked into it, maybe you can tell me, but there's a way to jump right into creating a plug-in or an app or config right from the agent window now. So in addition to showing the usage that your agents are doing, you can also kick off a prompt right from there to start building, which I think that's brilliant. @ncfrontiersman: Probably not a ton of work to do, but it just kind of connects the whole system together for those that are visual. @NixFred: Yeah, it really does. And the other thing that the goal of Omarchy, there's so many goals, but one of the main ones was to build bridges to help people get off of Mac and to help people get off of Windows. And when people figure out, and we talked a couple of episodes back about the ability to create plug-ins and what you and I created for our first plug-in and how funny they are. @NixFred: I think I remember mine was adding the percentage of the year left on the calendar, and I was blown away by that little tiny thing. And your mind just opens up and people are making more and more complex plug-ins. @NixFred: No longer is it just showing your ping out to Cloudflare to make sure your internet's up. People are making really complex things. @NixFred: One of the things I really want to dig into, Wes, and I know your personality and you don't like talking about yourself, but I'm going to put you on the spot here. This week, you're on the M team for Omarchy officially, and you shipped out Apple Studio Display Brightness Controller. @NixFred: And I don't know if it's your first contribution, but it spans both the kernel and the OS, brother. And you got Joshua Warren. @NixFred: You've got Silicon Forested. You've got @BI9Kahana. @NixFred: I don't know the gentleman's name or woman's name. And so walk us through it. @NixFred: What does it take to get a display brightness fix from this doesn't work at all all the way to a kernel PR, man? That's hot. @NixFred: That's hot. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Well, we've talked about this before, but it started with I've got this Apple Studio Display. I've been a Mac fanboy for years, right? @ncfrontiersman: And it's a very expensive piece of machinery just sitting around, and it wasn't really working right. And it wasn't just the brightness controls, by the way. @ncfrontiersman: It was the webcam, the speakers. It's got a Thunderbolt hub. @ncfrontiersman: These studio displays are pretty cool. You just plug one Thunderbolt cable into your laptop, and then you get it all. @ncfrontiersman: And that didn't really work with Omarchy, or Omarchy. So my process was, "All right. @ncfrontiersman: I plug this in. The display popped up, but nothing else worked. @ncfrontiersman: I just upgraded my cloud subscription. I got Opus 5.5. @ncfrontiersman: I got my studio display out of the closet, sat on the kitchen table, looked at my laptop, and I'm like, 'All right, Opus. Let's figure this out together.'" @ncfrontiersman: And so talking to the folks on the M team, I'm like, "Hey, we're doing this big push to get Omarchy Mac and all merged upstream so it's all in one unified repository. @ncfrontiersman: That's coming soon. But the idea is you have this Aurora kernel, which is a fork of Asahi or however you say it, right? @ncfrontiersman: And that is going to make it into the mainstream plus a slew of OS changes like the UI, like the on-screen display, all those types of controls and config. @ncfrontiersman: And so I'm working with Opus, and I'm like, "All right. We got to figure out why. @ncfrontiersman: Number one, I want to hear sound through these speakers in the monitor and what's going on." And so basically, it started with Opus just trying things. @ncfrontiersman: And it was like, "Well, I see that it's hooked in through Thunderbolt, and it's supposed to be exposing as a USB hub, and it should show the speakers as a USB device. It should show the webcam as a USB device, etc. @ncfrontiersman: But I can't figure it out." And so the crazy thing it did was I have another MacBook for work that has macOS on it. @ncfrontiersman: So it had me we worked together and installed basically a listener, a tracer on the Mac, and it watched how the volume control worked, how the brightness control worked. @NixFred: Whoa. @ncfrontiersman: To basically reverse engineer how you communicate with this monitor. Because this studio display is not like a typical. It actually runs like iOS on it. @ncfrontiersman: It's kind of wild the way it works if you've looked into it. @NixFred: Oh, really? @ncfrontiersman: And so it's almost like a mini iPhone or a mini iPad inside of the monitor. And the idea is you kind of have to control it differently. It doesn't work the same way all of the other displays that you plug in with DisplayPort or USB-C. @ncfrontiersman: There's other USB-C displays that work fine with Omarchy. This one's different. @ncfrontiersman: So basically, it went over, it did some research, it figured it out on the Mac. It figured out how to control it. @ncfrontiersman: Then it brought that back over. And I'm like, "All right, M team, where should I put these kernel changes?" @ncfrontiersman: Because it's going to require changes to the kernel, the compiled deep-level code that runs. @ncfrontiersman: You can't just edit the source of on the fly like you can when you want to customize plug-ins and stuff. And so there's this whole process that is pretty cool that's set up in this Aurora repo where you can and it's all written in C. @ncfrontiersman: So it's C code. And it's going through and it's taking the info it reverse engineered. @ncfrontiersman: And then it's making the changes. And I'm like, "Hey, I don't want you to redo everything. @ncfrontiersman: This is a kernel that works great. It's fast. @ncfrontiersman: Make the changes surgical. Don't break behavior for others." @ncfrontiersman: Those are the kinds of things I always do when I work with agents. @ncfrontiersman: And it got to the point where it made some changes. And I did it one at a time. @ncfrontiersman: I got the webcam working first. And then I got the audio working. @ncfrontiersman: I was playing CLI amp, or the CLI amp, however you say it, playing lo-fi. And I'm like, the minute the sound came on, I'm like, "Yes. @ncfrontiersman: This is awesome." And so I got all that. @ncfrontiersman: That was all kernel work. And the way that repo is set up, I know I'm rambling, but. @NixFred: No, I love it. @ncfrontiersman: The repo setup is that you can make those changes, and then it creates a local install script where it'll install it as a second bootloader entry. So you compile the C for the kernel. It installs it as a test one that shows up in the list when you reboot the computer. @ncfrontiersman: So you boot into that. It's your same OS and everything. @ncfrontiersman: It's just different kernel. And then you can start using it and testing it. @ncfrontiersman: And so got that working. And then it was like, "Well, let's test all of the different things." @ncfrontiersman: Because the MacBook's got three different USB-C ports. So there was a bug where if you unplug from the port on the right and plug it back in, it didn't work. @NixFred: Right. That makes sense. @ncfrontiersman: If you switch it to the other port, it was getting locked up and freezing. So we worked through all that, got it pushed up. And then Chris on the M team put together a new build release of the Aurora kernel for us. @ncfrontiersman: And then we all installed it and tested it, and it worked, which was really cool. And then the second step of that was, "All right, we got all that working, but I can't change the brightness of it." @ncfrontiersman: And I'm somebody that I need it as bright as it can be. I don't know if it's because of the color of my eyes or my vision or whatever, but I need it at like 100% brightness. @ncfrontiersman: But it was sitting at like 50%. That was actually harder than all the other things to get to there. @ncfrontiersman: And that's when it went back to reverse engineered again. And everything it thought that Opus thought that should work didn't work. @ncfrontiersman: It thought, "Oh, it should be controlled the same way other display port brightnesses are controlled." But again, because the studio display is iOS-based, it was different. @ncfrontiersman: And it figured it out. We got that in. @ncfrontiersman: And as soon as it's going through all these test iterations, it's like, "Did the brightness change?" I'm like, "No, it's still dim." @ncfrontiersman: And eventually, when I saw that brightness shoot up, I was audibly like, "Yes." @NixFred: Oh, bet. Oh, bet. @ncfrontiersman: And I think it's just kind of a microcosm of how cool it is these times that we're living in that we can take and do this kind of stuff. I don't have a ton of current I have a lot of software experience. @NixFred: Sure. @ncfrontiersman: I don't have a ton messing around with kernels because if you mess that up, you could screw your whole system up, so. @NixFred: Yeah. So let me ask you a question about that. Bleeding edge kernel testing on your only Mac or your primary driver, how much risk did you feel like you're putting into it? @NixFred: Because there's a real danger of bricking the thing. Was that ever something you were worried about? @ncfrontiersman: It was until I talked to the guys on the team and we figured out the way that these changes go in and it installs as a second bootloader entry. It doesn't mess with your main one. So you can always reboot and go back to your main entry and it won't touch that. @ncfrontiersman: So it's kind of like a yeah, it's like a temporary second installed entry that you can go to. Now, if it was messing with the main one, yeah, that could have been risky. @ncfrontiersman: And I mean, I'm sure there could be issues where it could screw up my hard drive or stuff like that. But I have everything backed up. @ncfrontiersman: And I use Git. Dot files are backed up, all that kind of stuff. @ncfrontiersman: And so I mean, I kind of work in this world where my computer is ephemeral. If it goes away, I can stand it back up. @ncfrontiersman: So I'm not too worried about that. But bricking it, yeah, that's a concern. @ncfrontiersman: So that whole ability to have the test entry really makes it pretty easy. And so it sounds scary. @ncfrontiersman: I think what it is, it sounds scarier than it is. And once you get in there and figure it out and work with it and see it happen, it's not too bad. @NixFred: That's right. That's cool. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. And then really, so that was all kernel work. Kernel is things like battery, display, touch ID, all those types of lower-level things. @ncfrontiersman: And then there's the OS side of things, like the quick shell with the built-in plug-ins and all that kind of stuff. @ncfrontiersman: And so the last step was to make the when you did the brightness on the keyboard. So if you have a Mac keyboard or like I have the Magic wireless keyboard and all that, so you hit F1, F2 to do the brightness, it wasn't controlling it still. @ncfrontiersman: And so that required basically, the kernel exposed the ability to run a command, a CLI command called brightness CTL. And as soon as it did that, then it was super easy to just have the OS control just call that and say, "Brightness control 15." @ncfrontiersman: And it would set it to 15%. @NixFred: Gotcha. @ncfrontiersman: So it was kind of useful to have it in two parts and then it works. And I kind of just wrap up with just saying it sounds like a lot, but a lot of it was really just being patient, sitting there, working through it, and being diligent about testing everything each time, unplugging it, plugging it back in, walking through the steps because this is a scenario where it's not something I'm just going to use. I want to make sure that everybody that uses it has a good @ncfrontiersman: experience as I did. And so there's going to be different ways that they might use it. So you kind of got to sit there and think through all the permutations of it. @ncfrontiersman: And so slow. Like I say, slow is smooth, smooth is fast. @ncfrontiersman: And it took Friday afternoon, evening, and then all day yesterday to get it. @ncfrontiersman: But that's work that should last for a long time. @NixFred: Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: And there's all kinds of users. @NixFred: I don't have the studio. I may pick one up used if I could find one. But I know that all the folks on the call, there's probably half of them that are Mac people and probably half of those have the studios. @NixFred: So as a community, we really thank you for putting that work in, man. And I know none of us get paid for this stuff. @NixFred: We just love it. So your passion's bleeding out of you, bro. @NixFred: And we really appreciate it. @ncfrontiersman: Thanks, man. @NixFred: You want to talk about the marketplace closing 1,423 issues in one week? So I saw a tweet by HandCore. And if you don't follow him, you should. @NixFred: It's @HandCore_Linux. He had a tweet that said, "This week on Omarchy plug-in workplace, 1,423 issues closed, 14 PRs merged, 506 new plug-ins listed, and 569 re-verified plug-in updates." @NixFred: And I know that @TCballard is right in there with him and those guys are putting the work in. Man, that's a lot of issues in one week. @NixFred: Do you think that's even possible a year ago? @ncfrontiersman: No. No, not without an army of people. I mean, I think the tooling we have now, the system that HandCore has put in place has really made it possible. @ncfrontiersman: The ability to use the agents to triage, to apply the labels automatically based on is it does it pass the automatic check? If it does, then that's good. @ncfrontiersman: Put it in the waiting area for a more deep security review. So it's gotten pretty sophisticated as far as the system goes. @ncfrontiersman: But I do think a fair amount of it is also HandCore just sitting there and powering through a lot of stuff at the same time. So props to him for that. @ncfrontiersman: There's what, almost 5,000 plug-ins now? @NixFred: Shame on me for not knowing, but I know there's more than four. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. @NixFred: Let's go look. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: I'm curious to know what we're at. @NixFred: We are at oh, shoot. I can't even see it. What a boring thing for me to stall the show with. @NixFred: Sorry about that. So DHH, he put a tweet out that got 2.2 thousand likes. @NixFred: It says, "Working on the Omarchy agents panel, we clearly needed a built-in way to manage multiple subscriptions and an easy way to use those agents." I completely agree. @NixFred: I don't often change my default agent, but it's been something that I didn't even know that I needed because I am lucky enough to have a multitude of subscriptions. It is pretty painful in the pocketbook, but it's worth it for me. @NixFred: I didn't have this many subscriptions before Omarchy. I just had the one. @NixFred: And it's pretty exciting. What do you think about having do you have multiple agents? @NixFred: And what do you think about having the ability to switch between them with a panel? @ncfrontiersman: Yeah, I do. Especially as of late, I've gone back to I have a Codex subscription, so I was using Aster for a bit. And then when they came out with 6.1, Saul, that barely touches the usage on a pro subscription. @ncfrontiersman: And it's good. It's a good workhorse. @ncfrontiersman: Opus 5.5 is in another league, I think. And really, those two together are great. @ncfrontiersman: I think I try to use Opus as much as possible, but if I've got some grunt work or some implementation-based things, I will have Saul do it. @ncfrontiersman: And I think it's also helpful when you have multiple agents. The whole adversarial review thing is important to where you basically build, implement with one, and then you have another one, another model, etc. @ncfrontiersman: Take a look at the implementation and point out all the flaws, right? And it's trying to get that other agent to think about it in this chain of reasoning where it's like, "Okay, prove that this isn't broken" kind of thing. @ncfrontiersman: And so it kind of forces it to go over. So I do think having multiple agents is good. @ncfrontiersman: And it's nice with that plug-in to be able to see your usage across them and kind of monitor it because it's almost like cell phone minutes back in the day. @NixFred: Yeah. That's a great analogy. I love it. @NixFred: I love it. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. I mean, I don't know how long before we're going to have to do nice and weekends, but we'll see. @NixFred: That's right. That's right. I see some celebrities in the room. @NixFred: I see Jankies out there. I see Lee is out there. @NixFred: I see Michael Gardner's out there. I see Porsche. @NixFred: I see Lee. I see Snowy. @NixFred: What do you want to do next, Wes? @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Yeah. We got Joshua from the M team as well. @ncfrontiersman: Lots of folks have hopped in. I think I've been talking enough. @ncfrontiersman: Let's open the floor up for some Q&A. And let's do. @NixFred: Look at there. We got Porsche's already requested. What do you think? @NixFred: I want to talk to her. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Let's do it. And let's try to keep it one topic at a time and five minutes. @ncfrontiersman: Let's try that. See how it goes. @NixFred: All right. Porsche, I promoted you to speaker. I think you got to accept it and make sure you're not muted. @NixFred: Well, there it is. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. And then I got Lee behind. Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: So yeah, if you want to talk, go ahead and go ahead and request. We'll do our best to kind of keep a queue going. @NixFred: Yeah. Just be patient with us. And Porsche, we're trying. @NixFred: If you want to request again. And if you don't, just give me a thumbs down. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. That's fine. @ncfrontiersman: Looks like Lee's on. So we can let Porsche speak after. @NixFred: Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: That works. @NixFred: Oh, there's three now. All right. Lee, what's on your mind this week? @NixFred: Lee, let's keep it to one topic and about five minutes, maybe. And then those that aren't, please be patient. @NotJustShaking: It'll be less than that. I don't want to talk about what we're working on yet, Friggs. I know there's a little bit to go on that, but something along the lines for people with disabilities, cognitive issues, memory issues. @NotJustShaking: I got sent a review piece of hardware from a company called WaveShare. And basically, they're just like iPad things, right, that you can code yourself to do absolutely anything with. @NotJustShaking: So you could have it as your audio control for your house or maybe a thermostat or maybe you wanted it as a weather station. @NixFred: Wow. @NotJustShaking: These things are only like 70 bucks, so they're really cheap. So you don't have to go out and buy an iPad or an Android machine. Anyway, the plan with this is to have it wirelessly or you can have it plugged in, but you don't want that. @NotJustShaking: Wirelessly connect into Omarchy. And I've already done quite a lot of work on this. @NotJustShaking: And it will enable you to be able to or a person to be able to hit the shortcut keys like we have with Omarchy, like super spacebar, super whatever. You would just press a button on the iPad-type device, and it will do that for you, right? @NotJustShaking: And you can make the buttons as big as you want. You can have them as small as you want. @NotJustShaking: So people with hand-eye coordination or maybe they're shaky or maybe they don't have the memory to remember what those keys were, they'll all be set up on this device and you just press the button. Now, that's just part one. @NotJustShaking: There are several other parts that will come along with this as well that will feed into Omarchy. I don't want to speak too much of them at the moment because I'm not entirely sure what they'll be yet. @NotJustShaking: But just as a prime example, that's something I'm working on with that bit of hardware that I think will make a real big difference. And the cost is very low. @NixFred: That's amazing, Lee. Your commitment to helping people with less than full abilities is amazing. And we salute you, my friend. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. @ncfrontiersman: So what's it called again, Lee? I missed that. @NotJustShaking: If you go the website, the company is called WaveShare. So whiskey, alpha, victor, echo, and then share. Chinese company. @NotJustShaking: And you're looking for the I think it's like the 10-inch display that they make. @NixFred: Yeah. So Wes and I don't promote or what's the word? We're not connected to that company, so use it at your own peril. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: We don't endorse, I think. Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: We do not endorse. But that's cool. @ncfrontiersman: I love those kinds of I love the physical hardware that's kind of like the accessories. And I'm a home assistant nerd. @ncfrontiersman: I've got my whole house set up with Home Assistant. And I have so many ideas that I could use something like that for. @NotJustShaking: Yeah. And of course, it doesn't have to be that device, right? There's hundreds of companies that make that kind of device. @NotJustShaking: I just chose a company that was willing to send me something that was relatively cheap for people to buy. @NixFred: That's cool, man. Well, thanks for stopping by, Lee. It's amazing. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Good to hear from you, Lee. All right, Porsche, I think you're up. @letsbuildanyway: Thank you. @NixFred: Hey, there she is. @letsbuildanyway: Hi. Hello. Well, I'm here to ask the stupid questions. @ncfrontiersman: No stupid questions. @letsbuildanyway: That's what you say now. @NixFred: Just a little bit, please. @letsbuildanyway: Wes, you mentioned about the default agent panel, which I actually haven't used yet. So when you say default agent panel, are you using different apps or are you using the API separately? @ncfrontiersman: Well, when I say default agent panel, there's a plug-in for Omarchy that you enable. It's just called omarchy.agents. And really, it's just going to show your usage up in your menu bar. @ncfrontiersman: It looks like a little robot. @letsbuildanyway: Oh, okay. @ncfrontiersman: And then I don't know if it auto-detects your providers. It seemed to pick up Codex automatically, but you might have to tell your agent, "Hey, I want to see usage for Grok or I want to see it for Surfshark or whatever." @ncfrontiersman: But yeah, that. @NixFred: Shameless plug here. My burn bar gives you all the information plus how much time you have banked where you can use your agent more heavily. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. @letsbuildanyway: Should I ask? Because using the API for me is very different than using the actual application. What I use Claude for, like Claude Cowork, is different than what I would use their latest. @NixFred: Yeah. So when we talked about panel, today, currently, when you install Omarchy, it helps you to pick your default agent. And what DHH figured out was that most people have more than one agent. @NixFred: So he is coding a future panel that he will release that make it easy for you to switch back and forth. @letsbuildanyway: Okay. I've never used that feature before, and that's the only reason why I'm just curious and asking questions. I actually have the documentation open now. @NixFred: I gotcha. So when we talk about using different agents, you said something about application. Mainly, when you do that, you're switching between either the command line Grok or Codex or Claude or OpenCode, Py. @NixFred: There's a million of them. So you really don't use a different application. @NixFred: You just kind of enter the agent a different method on the command line. @letsbuildanyway: Yeah. Because yeah, but I use I don't know if that would be good for I don't know if that would encompass all of my use cases because I use Claude Cowork. Then I might just use DeepSeek. @letsbuildanyway: Then I might just use Fable, the API, and not Claude, the actual Cowork application. So I need to get back on Omarchy and see exactly what they mean by agents. @letsbuildanyway: Or sometimes I use a harness. Well, most of the times, I use a harness like Hermes, where I'm using multiple agents within Hermes. @NixFred: You figured it out already, Porsche. That's it. @letsbuildanyway: Did I? I don't know if I figured it out. @ncfrontiersman: Well, here, I can clear it up. So the plug-in that I was talking about literally just shows usage. That's all it is. @ncfrontiersman: It's just showing you how far you are into your limits and all that. There's also a way to set a default agent, which is really just the key binding. @ncfrontiersman: It's two things. It's the key binding that opens up the AI app like Cowork or ChatGPT. @ncfrontiersman: And then there's when you have a system error that occurs, a little notification pops up and it says you want to diagnose it with your agent, then it tells you which one to use there. So everything else is kind of up to you. @letsbuildanyway: So if I wanted to do some troubleshooting on a bug, could I use an agent within Omarchy? Would that be my default agent if I wanted to debug something within Omarchy? @ncfrontiersman: I mean, yeah, that would be what it does. It's really just a small hook into it. So you get a little notification on the right of the screen, and it says, "Click to diagnose with AI." @ncfrontiersman: And all that does is open up a terminal prompt with your agent that you've defaulted. And then it gives it a prompt, and it gives it the logs to look at, and it just tries to figure out what caused that system error to happen. @ncfrontiersman: So it's just a little. @letsbuildanyway: Would I be able to connect it to OpenRouter? Because OpenRouter has all of my models. @NixFred: So go ahead, Wes. @letsbuildanyway: Yeah. I'm all right. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. I mean, more than likely, there's a CLI for I haven't used OpenRouter, but. @NixFred: Yeah. Anything like OpenCode can point to it, stuff like that. Can somebody open up the Omarchy Sunday social site and post to it? @NixFred: I can't find it. And let's get the chat started. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. @letsbuildanyway: Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. @letsbuildanyway: No, just ask me questions. And quickly, I've connected Obsidian to Hermes, and it's been amazing. @letsbuildanyway: Having a truth of source that works with a harness has been a great improvement in my setup. And I had a chance to play around with Instinct as well. @letsbuildanyway: So that's what I've done today. I'll be this week, and I'll stop there. @ncfrontiersman: Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: I've used Obsidian for years now. Before even AI came out, it was like a second not a true second brain, but a good way to organize my thoughts and notes outside of whatever app Work wanted me to use or out of the source code and all that. @ncfrontiersman: So I've always enjoyed it. And I think using it with agents, it's really just sharing state. @ncfrontiersman: It's sharing context in a good way. So yeah, that's cool you found it. @ncfrontiersman: All right. Let's see. @ncfrontiersman: I think Catherine is next. @NixFred: Hey, Catherine. @omarchyftrou: Hi. @NixFred: Hi there. @ncfrontiersman: Hey. @omarchyftrou: This is my first time trying to use this computer with a microphone, so I wasn't sure it would work. @NixFred: You're doing great. @ncfrontiersman: We can hear you. @omarchyftrou: Great. Super. Well, I wanted to talk about my new Omarchy newsletter. @NixFred: Let's hear it. @omarchyftrou: I just this past week decided to start a newsletter called Omarchy for the rest of us. It's intended to help people get started with Omarchy because I'm not a really practiced developer or anything. I've dabbled with software for longer than I want to talk about and that sort of thing, but I've never really been very good at it. @omarchyftrou: However, I'm really enjoying Omarchy. I installed it about a month ago. @omarchyftrou: And this past week, I decided that, well, if I'm going to do a newsletter about it, I ought to really dig into it. So I started a Grok bot. @omarchyftrou: And within 48 hours, I had everything in place to run this newsletter. It's incredible. @omarchyftrou: I am really writing Omarchy. I mean, Grok bot helps with it with outlines and so forth, and of course, with the backend, but I'm doing the actual writing myself. @ncfrontiersman: Ooh, I love that. I love it when people are actually writing stuff. I love AI, but I don't like the way it writes. @ncfrontiersman: It's really hard to read sometimes when you get those walls. So I appreciate you writing that by hand. @omarchyftrou: Well, I also wanted to be honest about it. So I have done writing for a long time, and I'm much better at that than I am at coding. So that's kind of my wheelhouse. @omarchyftrou: I wanted to invite everybody to join. It's in my links and in my profile and Omarchy FTROU with or without the hyphen.com. @ncfrontiersman: Omarchy for the rest of us. @omarchyftrou: Yep. I love it. @ncfrontiersman: All right. It's good to hear from you, Catherine. I'm glad you. @omarchyftrou: Thank you. @ncfrontiersman: Spoke. And look forward to reading the newsletter. I'm excited. @ncfrontiersman: So I feel like I'm one of the rest of us too, so. @omarchyftrou: Terrific. @NixFred: Hey, make sure everybody follows everybody. We're a tight group. We're a small group, and we're focused and all have the same drive. @NixFred: So make sure you follow everybody in the thing. And I'm doing my best to follow everybody. @NixFred: I've already been rate-limited, but I'm following as many as I can. What's next? @omarchyftrou: Yeah. I've been rate-limited myself several times, so. @NixFred: That's right. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Well, I hope you have a great afternoon or evening, wherever you are, Catherine. @omarchyftrou: Okay. Thank you. @NixFred: Thank you. @ncfrontiersman: Let's see. I think it's Snowy and then Ivan after that. @thebytorsnowdog: Good evening. I'll try and send a little more masculine this week so that Spot doesn't mistake my gender again. @NixFred: Hey, can you really speak up a couple of notches for us? @thebytorsnowdog: Yeah. Sorry. It's just it's nearly 9:00 PM here in Scotland, so I was just keeping my voice down a bit. @thebytorsnowdog: That's fine. It was really just I wanted to say how much I'm enjoying the Omarchy community still. @thebytorsnowdog: I've already been this week. I've put my first Omarchy app up. @thebytorsnowdog: I have submitted four bugs to the Bug Bounty, which is something I never thought I'd be involved in because I'm actually a civil engineer. I trained in putting pipes in the ground to put water through them, not to put software through a computer. @thebytorsnowdog: So it's a bit of a new thing for me. But the one thing I wanted to make a big shout-out to is a little plug-in I found that I've been using extensively called Omarchy Doctor that I believe you may have heard of. @thebytorsnowdog: It's provided me with some serious benefits already. In fact, it's running through a problem as we speak on my Omarchy laptop. @thebytorsnowdog: So thank you, Fred, for that because that is a great thing. And I'm feeling much happier with how my system is running now that I have Omarchy Doctor looking after it for me. @ncfrontiersman: Wonderful. Wonderful. Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. I had to check that out. @ncfrontiersman: I heard about that earlier this week. So what's one of the bugs you found? @thebytorsnowdog: Well, I wouldn't take too much credit for it because, like everything else in the world, I didn't find that my agents found it for me. And I had to get my agents to tell me how do I fill in a bug report on HackerOne and how do I do all the different steps in it. But it has submitted now four bugs. @thebytorsnowdog: One has been found to be a duplicate, which is fine. I would rather something gets reported twice than not at all. @thebytorsnowdog: But the other three bugs are deemed high-risk bugs. There's one around sandbox taps can run commands on your host via a notification click. @thebytorsnowdog: One about the Sunshine Admin web app launches a default Chromium profile with ignore certificate errors. And another one about a Pacman repo bug. @thebytorsnowdog: So they're all currently sitting in the queue waiting to be looked at. I was just really pleased to be able to feel like I was providing some benefit by helping other people. @thebytorsnowdog: I did the Apple MLX check. So because I have an M5 Max MacBook Pro, which is my main computer, I could feed into that. @thebytorsnowdog: It's just really nice feeling like part of an actual community and feeling like we are collaborating to try and make this Omarchy thing better for everyone around us. So more than happy to submit PRs if I can help with something. @thebytorsnowdog: I hate to admit it, but I always end the week with spare tokens left. So I'm always looking for ways to burn through some of my codecs or my cloud tokens or whatever. @thebytorsnowdog: So if there is stuff I can be doing on that to help, then I'm more than happy to be doing it. And it's just great that this has become a thing that I've discovered. @thebytorsnowdog: I'm 50 years of age, and I've only just discovered that this kind of thing can happen. And I'm like, "Well, where has this been for the last 30 years of my life?" @ncfrontiersman: Amen. @thebytorsnowdog: It's something I've clearly been missing for all this time because it feels really good to be a part of. @NixFred: Well, Snowy, you're showing how anybody can jump in, just like Catherine just did the last call. And as a civil engineer, I believe you put out OmaMap, which is an open-source spatial data viewer, right? @thebytorsnowdog: Yeah. That was a work project. We used a software called ArcGIS, but my company had the version of it we had wasn't operating very well. @thebytorsnowdog: And I just decided to take it upon myself. Could I make something that works better than this? @thebytorsnowdog: So I created a proof of concept of an MVP product. Like we've talked about as well, I put it through Codex, I put it through Cloud Code, and I got them to fight each other. @thebytorsnowdog: I kind of said, "Look, I want you to go in and check this and look for bugs." Then I'll get the other one right. @thebytorsnowdog: Somebody else says this is good. You go in and check if a bug, see if you can do better than the other agent did. @thebytorsnowdog: So that's sitting with my IT department of work. But anyone who works in a large corporate entity knows that IT departments are where good ideas go to die and then eventually become a bad idea. @thebytorsnowdog: So I just decided, "Can I just take this and make it an Omarchy plugin slash app that people could use?" So I did. @thebytorsnowdog: I just went and blew a couple of million tokens, converting it, and now again doing the Codex. Codex thinks this is a good idea. @thebytorsnowdog: Claude, go away and find out what's wrong with it. And then Claude thinks this is a good idea. @thebytorsnowdog: Codex, go away and find out what you can find that's wrong with it. Did that a couple of times and then put it up on my GitHub for people to check. @NixFred: Wow. Amazing, brother. Well, thanks for dropping by and keep the good fight up, man. @NixFred: You're leading and showing that any of us can contribute, any of us can be a part of this thing, and we love you in the community. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Yeah. I want to hear more about that GIS app later. @ncfrontiersman: I'm into maps and that kind of stuff a lot. @NixFred: Never. Never. @ncfrontiersman: Wow. Yeah. I mean, just one comment on I'm just thinking about when you think about how operating systems were built in the past versus how Omarchy is being built, it's pretty wild, the difference. @ncfrontiersman: It's so stark because DOS, Windows, even Mac and all that, it was kind of built inside this ivory tower, right, where you had to have certain credentials and sign off your blood to even look at the source code. @ncfrontiersman: And now it's like and I think DHH is a big part of this. It's like we're going to democratize this, put it out to the people. @ncfrontiersman: And the ones that want to fix it are the ones that get the chance to fix it. And I think that passion takes you so far with doing a good job and with quality. @ncfrontiersman: And then the agents kind of just kind of take you that next step. And so it's just wild to think. @ncfrontiersman: It's no longer in this ivory tower. It's been spread out and spread amongst. @ncfrontiersman: Everybody is just kind of helping out. It's like a true community-built operating system in the most true way. @ncfrontiersman: And I think it's beautiful. So thanks for sharing, Snowy. @ncfrontiersman: All right. Let's see. @ncfrontiersman: Ivan, you're up. What's going on? @TheAITradeoff: Hello, everyone. Can you guys hear me okay? @NixFred: We can. @TheAITradeoff: Sweet. I just wanted to quickly touch on what Wes Grimes was saying about the agent takes you the rest of the way, right? I'm not a programmer or developer, but I've always had tons of ideas that I've had difficulty trying to program. @TheAITradeoff: And I feel like ever since I've kind of really delved deep into trying to understand AI agents' harnesses, I've really been able to take it to the next step. And that's kind of Omarchy and the Omarchy community kind of pushes you into trying new things. @TheAITradeoff: You have an idea, try it out. And the Omarchy distro really just kind of doesn't put any walls in front of you, which I really enjoy. @ncfrontiersman: That's right. That's right. Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: I mean, that's how it should be, I think. I mean, there is an argument for security, right, and some important things. @ncfrontiersman: But I think for the most part, the things we're doing aren't that I don't mean this in a bad way, but they're not that serious. We're building tools that help us. @ncfrontiersman: They're fun to use again and solve problems. And as long as the core operating system itself is solid and secure, we can build on that platform. @ncfrontiersman: And we shouldn't have this fear of, "I'm not an expert. I shouldn't touch it." @ncfrontiersman: No, you should. You should get it. @TheAITradeoff: Yeah. I think getting a good understanding of the security vulnerabilities of letting your agent do everything, I think that should be the forefront for anybody. But I think just something that, for example, that's really so I downloaded the Omarchy distro on my Evo X2 about a week ago, and I've been messing with that, and I've been loving it. @TheAITradeoff: And then I was able to get the M1 Air installed with Omarchy last night. And something that I've built last night and this morning was a MeshCore app, a plug-in that I can use on my computer and connect my MeshCore nodes and my repeaters. @TheAITradeoff: And I've had this idea with being able to message my local machine using the MeshCore network. And I tried building something similar on my M4 Mac a couple weeks, months ago, and it just was giving me so many issues that I just kind of gave up. @TheAITradeoff: But I retried with Omarchy, and I was able to get it running. So now I'm able to message my local machine as well as message my local models using the MeshCore network without any cellular data or internet. @TheAITradeoff: So that's one thing where I'm like, "Yes, that's what I've been wanting." @ncfrontiersman: It's like that TV show, Silicon Valley, right, where they had the internet. @TheAITradeoff: Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: The alternate internet. That's awesome. @TheAITradeoff: Yeah. So I'm thinking in emergency situations where there's an outage and you can't connect to the internet, but you still want to use models. And currently, models that run on your phone just aren't that good. @TheAITradeoff: But if I can always carry a MeshCore node with me in case of some emergency, I need to get some information from my models on my main machine, then I am able to do that. And I'm like, "Okay, that's very freeing." @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. You should write an article or a blog or even just a tweet about it. I think a lot of people would like to hear about it. @TheAITradeoff: All right. Yeah. Thanks. @TheAITradeoff: I'm definitely going to do that. I'm working on the plug-in right now and putting it in the marketplace. @TheAITradeoff: It should be ready to go in here in a day or two. @ncfrontiersman: Sweet. Well, it's good to hear from you, man. @TheAITradeoff: Yeah. Both of you guys, you, Wes Grimes, and Nix, thanks for letting me speak. @ncfrontiersman: You bet, man. That's why we're here. @TheAITradeoff: Have a good day. @ncfrontiersman: You too, brother. All right. I think we got King Maker. @ncfrontiersman: And then after that, we got Super Friendly Aviator who's been helping me with Omastorm, so. @Kingmk3r: Howdy, y'all from Texas. This is King Maker. @ncfrontiersman: What's up, brother? @Kingmk3r: How are you? @ncfrontiersman: Doing fantastic, man. Good to hear your voice. @Kingmk3r: Well, it's good to hear a bunch of enthusiasts. It's a lonely world out there. You mention Omarchy and people are like, "What?" @ncfrontiersman: Yes. @Kingmk3r: So it's good to find like-minded people. By the way, I wanted to just let everybody know that we're going to do an Omarchy meetup here for enthusiasts in Austin on Friday. So that's on Luna. @Kingmk3r: You can go sign up over there. @ncfrontiersman: Man, you must I bet that one's going to blow up because I mean, come on. It's Austin, Texas. @Kingmk3r: We're a total of five people so far, so. @ncfrontiersman: Well, thanks. I think it's going to be one of the things where it might start a little slow, but then once wind gets out and you have a couple, it's probably going to blow up. So be ready. @Kingmk3r: Yeah. I kind of did not really think about this enough before I posted it up because it is ACL weekend and it's raining and it's muddy out there and everybody's in town. And on Friday night at a coffee shop, it's probably going to be impossible. @Kingmk3r: We'll see. There'll be a post. @ncfrontiersman: Well, it's post-March, right? @Kingmk3r: Yeah. We will have door prices there for oldest potato and best potato setup. So if you are in the area, I know you guys are spread out all over the world, but if you are in the area here, we'd love to have you. @ncfrontiersman: That's fun. @Kingmk3r: Yeah. That's kind of all I wanted to say, guys. @ncfrontiersman: Thanks for coming by. Everybody's welcome. And you're proof. @ncfrontiersman: We even allow kings to speak. @Kingmk3r: I think I better change my handle here. It's kind of become a poisoned word. I bet. @ncfrontiersman: Hey. It's all good. Hey. @ncfrontiersman: You are here. @Kingmk3r: Remember Game of Thrones? So that's kind of where it came from, so. @ncfrontiersman: Makes sense. Gotcha. @Kingmk3r: Not speaking to kings. Yeah. Thanks, guys. @ncfrontiersman: Thanks, man. All right. Aviator, what's going on? @flyawayzephyr60: Hey. How are you guys doing? @ncfrontiersman: Fantastic. I'm so good I can stand it. That's how good I'm doing. @flyawayzephyr60: Well, I saw Wes post one day about how he was running low on tokens, and I decided to just shoot him a message and say, "Hey." Well, I guess we started the dialogue with, "Hey, I really like Omastorm. I'd like to see it in my ops room because in real life, I'm a chief pilot for a private charter company." @flyawayzephyr60: And I thought, "Maybe one of these days it'd be cool to see that in the ops room." And then I saw him post that he was running low on tokens. @flyawayzephyr60: And so I said, "Hey, let me add an aviation layer." And he's like, "Go for it." @ncfrontiersman: That's cool. @flyawayzephyr60: It was a lot of fun. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. I love it. I love that somebody you're there. @ncfrontiersman: We can chat about bugs or issues together. It's great to have you helping out, man. @flyawayzephyr60: Yeah. Well, I mean, this is just such a I was a software engineer before I was a pilot. And this is like the first time in 20 years that computers have been fun again because so many barriers have been knocked down. @flyawayzephyr60: In fact, like yesterday, kind of just for fun, I made my kids a game. I made my daughter a princess game and my son a little they're two and four, a little planes and trains kind of game. @flyawayzephyr60: And it was done in half an hour. @flyawayzephyr60: And I started it and put him in front of it, and they're having a blast. @ncfrontiersman: Can you imagine 20 years ago? I mean, just that we're having these conversations is so wild, what you can do now. @flyawayzephyr60: Yeah. Seriously, not even 20 years ago, like 20 minutes ago, you wouldn't just sit down at the computer and say, "You know what? I would like to write a C++ video game this afternoon." @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. I know. It's wild. @ncfrontiersman: I mean, yeah, it is just it's like the stuff we saw in movies growing up as kids is really happening. So hopefully, the bad stuff like Terminator don't happen, but we'll see. @flyawayzephyr60: Well, that's out of our hands, right? @ncfrontiersman: That's right. Sure is. Well, awesome. @ncfrontiersman: So you're a charter pilot, and you have found Omarchy and Omastorm, and you said, "Let me jump in and start contributing." I think that's the way it goes with all this community. @ncfrontiersman: It's just like you don't need special permission to work on this stuff. You don't need somebody to reach out to you. @ncfrontiersman: Reach out. If any of y'all want to get involved, just reach out to anybody here that's building something or built something yourself and say, "Hey, is there something I could help with or whatever?" @ncfrontiersman: And that's always a good way to get in and get involved. And a lot of times, you make friends, you make connections more than just building software together. @ncfrontiersman: And I think you should not go through life alone. I think community is the way we were designed to be in, right? @ncfrontiersman: And so this is just some of us can't go into these in-person communities as easily for different reasons. And so this is just another opportunity to be in community. @ncfrontiersman: So I think we should keep it up. @flyawayzephyr60: Yeah. Well, that project was a lot of fun. And when I get a minute or two, I might jump in on another one, or I might start something and ask you guys to jump in and help me. @ncfrontiersman: You bet. Oh, yeah. That sounds great. @ncfrontiersman: Well. @flyawayzephyr60: And I might throw those games up on a repo just for the fun of it. Who knows? @ncfrontiersman: You know what? Putting your stuff in a repo, even if you don't share it out, keep it private. It's really important just to it's kind of a stash away to keep your own stuff and have a backup, if you will, so if anything happens. @ncfrontiersman: So I encourage you. I've got I don't know how many repos, and probably half of them are private. @ncfrontiersman: My agent knows if I start working on a project and it gets past the third prompt, then it's time to make a repo. And even if it's garbage, just make sure you save your work. @ncfrontiersman: Come on. Come on. @ncfrontiersman: Put everything you can up into whatever your repo of choice is. @flyawayzephyr60: Yep. That's a good idea. That's a good idea. @ncfrontiersman: Can't wait to play the game, Super. @flyawayzephyr60: All right. Talk to you guys. @ncfrontiersman: All right. Speak from you. Anybody else? @ncfrontiersman: Super was the last one lined up. We got time for. @NixFred: All right. Well, while we're waiting on a topic, I've got the top 10 signs you've been Omarchy-pilled. @NixFred: How about that, Wes? Want to hear that? @ncfrontiersman: Good. @NixFred: All right. Number 10, you found a MacBook at the Apple Store already running Omarchy, and that was _James Almeida this week. Number 9, your laptop has a better travel life than you do because you see all these people traveling around with Omarchy and having fun with it. @NixFred: Number 8, you reach for the Super Key on your work Mac. How many of you have done that where you get on your Mac and immediately hit the Super Key and figure out it doesn't work? @NixFred: Oh, yeah. Number 7, somebody told you Omarchy is just dot files, and you laugh and agree because now Omarchy has millions of dollars to work with. @NixFred: So if you want to call it dot files, a millionaire dot files, be my guest. Number 6, you converted a coworker before the you converted a coworker before you even had that talk at the meeting, and that was renata.com. @NixFred: Number 7, moving along. You keep an Omarchy resurrection queue of all your dead laptops in the garage, and you want to get to all of them. @NixFred: Number 4, you learned every keyboard shortcut from opening up a game, and now you're on Hyperland like a strato coaster. You're just killing it. @NixFred: Number 3, your Steam Deck runs Omarchy, and the back button scrolls. Number 1, you put a Windows XP wallpaper on your 2016 MacBook running Omarchy, just a mess with people. @NixFred: And the number 1 is that there is now a $100,000 bounty for founding bugs in Omarchy, and you've suddenly become interested in testing it. @NixFred: That's good. We got to do that every week. @NixFred: All right. I'll put it down. @NixFred: Enough of my ridiculousness. I'll approve folks in, and you roll them out. @flyawayzephyr60: Hey, I just wanted to tell you guys real quick that if you have to stay with a Mac, like if it's the work computer and you can't change it, aerospace with Omarchy key bindings, use the what is it? @flyawayzephyr60: Carabiner held down caps lock as a Super Key is a super duper setup. @NixFred: That's amazing input. I want to do stuff like that with my Mac, but it's kind of work, kind of play, and it just makes me nervous messing with it. But I need to get over that and do it. @NixFred: I think that's good advice, man. @ncfrontiersman: Well, I was going to say, Fred, he told me about that the other day, and I've been doing it ever since on my work Mac, so. @NixFred: Yeah. It's aggravating. It's aggravating. @ncfrontiersman: It's great. I love it. It's not quite as good, but hey, it's close, so that's wonderful. @ncfrontiersman: I saw some people request it, but then they dropped out from the request. @NixFred: Yeah. I approved them, and then they dropped off. So I don't know. @NixFred: So if you're itching to speak, now's your chance. Come on up. @NixFred: If not, you're going to have to listen to another top 10 list. I did see that Omarchy now, and we're not promoting any businesses or anything, but one of the first companies that you can buy Omarchy already installed, not that it's that hard, but if you go to I believe it's the Linux laptop. @NixFred: We're not promoting it. The linuxlaptop.com, you can buy a laptop with it already on there, and they're at the Linux laptop on X. @NixFred: I think James Almeida is involved in that and Sunderby and a couple of other folks as well. @ncfrontiersman: Wonderful. Well, let's see. We got Tim that requested to speak and Starlab and Dark Horse, Jeff. @NixFred: I'm approving them all, but they're not coming in sometimes. So I'll approve them, and you talk to them. @ncfrontiersman: Okay. Tim, what's going on? @tim_sonner: How's the mic level? @NixFred: Whoop. @ncfrontiersman: I mean, Fred will probably say you need to speak up, but I'm okay with it. @NixFred: All right. I can't hear, man. I'm old. @ncfrontiersman: No, it's okay. It's all good. @NixFred: It's all good. @tim_sonner: Hey, so I just wanted to kind of try and keep focused on one topic here. And what I want to bring to the table is contribution to piggyback on what Nick was saying. One of the interesting workflows I developed kind of last week was posting demos of my PRs to X and putting a link to that X post in the PR. @tim_sonner: And I think that we have a great open community. We're all contributing somehow. @tim_sonner: And it's really cool to be able to, say, do a demo of your PR, post it on X. It gets everybody involved. @tim_sonner: They can see what it's doing. And I just thought that was a really cool kind of thing to add for the developers, for the maintainers themselves, and just for yourself. @tim_sonner: And we've been doing a bit of live streaming stuff lately with Vitorio. @tim_sonner: And so I would encourage everybody to try live streaming, do some public code-building stuff, and yeah, just get active out there. I have a MacBook 2020. @tim_sonner: I am more than willing to help out with any Mac questions. I'm running Omarchy on it. @tim_sonner: It's kind of my extra. It's not my main. @tim_sonner: But I've been figuring out a lot of stuff with the fingerprint reader with that T2 Intel Mac. And so, yeah, I would highly encourage people that if they're having issues with that hardware or anything like that with Omarchy and that Mac, just reach out to the community. @tim_sonner: And I'd be more than if I can help, I'd be more than happy to do that. Like today even, I did something new. @tim_sonner: I was like, "Hey, post a gist for Nick's Fred so that he can give that to his agent." And I mean, the collaboration that we're able to do now with agents is incredible. @tim_sonner: And I just would encourage everybody to kind of not let any fear get in your way of contributing. If this is a great community and you have the tools to contribute. @NixFred: That's right. That's right. Well, hey, you're talking to one of the guys on the M team. @NixFred: Wes is official part of Omarchy, so make sure you communicate. I don't want to send too many people your way, Wes, but if you've got questions on the M series for Macintosh, Wes is on the official team himself. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Apparently, I am. So I'm just kidding. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. I don't even know if there's there's so many things, right, that we could use help with. @ncfrontiersman: So I appreciate it. And so you're using a 2020, Tim. @ncfrontiersman: You said this Intel-based one. @tim_sonner: Yes, sir. Yeah. MacBook 9.1. @ncfrontiersman: Gotcha. Awesome. Yeah, man, this stuff runs on almost anything. @ncfrontiersman: It's so cool. That's really great. @ncfrontiersman: Well, let's see. Who else is lined up? @ncfrontiersman: I thought we had Starlab was going to speak, but it now says listening. @NixFred: Well, I think it's Spaces, man. I think whoever works on Spaces is part-time over at X because it's pretty yanky sometimes. If you want to speak, speak up. @NixFred: I'll approve you, and Wes will have a chat with you. There's one Wes. @NixFred: Stand by. @ncfrontiersman: All right. @NixFred: All right. We got Starlab. Starlab? @NixFred: Pardon the see if that puts you up there. Starlab, are you there? @NixFred: Yeah. Something's going on with the code. @ncfrontiersman: Maybe we just need to write our own. @NixFred: Yeah. There we go. @ncfrontiersman: Let's see. @NixFred: Maybe it's me. See if you can approve them. @ncfrontiersman: Called to construct, hopped in. @NixFred: There we go. @ncfrontiersman: Let's do that. How's it going? @calledtocnstrct: Hey, how you doing? @ncfrontiersman: It's so good I can't stand it. @calledtocnstrct: It's excellent, isn't it? @ncfrontiersman: It is. @calledtocnstrct: I'll tell you, what's been really interesting with Omarchy, I think I started with just before version 3 came out. And then, of course, to see this explosion with Quatro is just amazing. And so what I've been looking at is all these plugins that are popping up, and it's just amazing. @calledtocnstrct: I'm thinking, "Oh, my gosh, these ideas are just coming out of everywhere." And because of that, I have kind of two things, but not two topics. @calledtocnstrct: Just want to keep it pretty straightforward there. But one thing I'll say as a quick sideline, somebody mentioned building a game. @calledtocnstrct: I've been a software developer for decades, and my daughter I have grandchildren as well, but my daughter always has these great ideas for her kids. And she sent me a couple of ideas like, "Could you build a game like this?" @calledtocnstrct: Which I think is really cool. But I'm working full-time. @calledtocnstrct: It's not easy to build a game. Well, just yesterday, I took a laptop down, and I put it in front of her with running Omarchy, and I brought up Grok Build. @calledtocnstrct: And I said, "Here, type into this text editor an idea for a game." And she sat down and typed it up. @calledtocnstrct: It took her about 15 minutes. And then I copied and pasted it over to Grok Build. @calledtocnstrct: And then we had a conversation. We were just sitting there talking for about half an hour. @calledtocnstrct: And then it said, "Done." And I said, "This could go horribly wrong, so don't get your expectations up too much, but let's see what happens." @calledtocnstrct: It was a single HTML file with CSS and JavaScript. Opened it up, and the kids swarmed the table. @calledtocnstrct: And it was hard to get everybody organized, but each of the kids sat down and started playing. And then my daughter was playing, my son-in-law was playing, and it was touchscreen, so it was so exciting to watch. @ncfrontiersman: Wow. @calledtocnstrct: So that was a lot of fun. But I keep looking around saying, "Could I build a plugin? I can't think of an idea for a plugin," which I think is hilarious. @calledtocnstrct: But what I did come across was this idea that we have all these great plugins. We have all these great applications. @calledtocnstrct: It's open source. And so I've been playing around with this idea of a bundle. @calledtocnstrct: I can't think of a better name for it. So I've been calling it a bundle. @calledtocnstrct: And essentially, it's a way of saying, "I want to have these three or four applications, these two plugins, and some skill files to go with it so that if somebody's using their AI, they can use these tools and applications, and the AI can kind of help them understand how to get the most use out of these things." And then maybe you package it up with an introduction markdown file to explain it. @calledtocnstrct: And now I'm sitting here building bundles in my GitHub, pulling together ideas. And so we had with the aviation, I was thinking, "What would an aviation bundle look like? @calledtocnstrct: What applications would somebody in that industry use, and what plugins, and how would they incorporate these things together?" And so that's kind of what I've been playing around with. @calledtocnstrct: And I'm just kind of curious to hear some feedback. Is this a silly idea, or can you see yourself using this to put together things? @calledtocnstrct: Even if you just want to replicate to your own machines the tools that you tend to use, or could you see this idea of kind of like bundling these things together? So I'm kind of curious what people would have to say about that. @ncfrontiersman: I mean, I think it's amazing. I could think of so many different uses for that. I mean, it could be, like you said, aviation or whatever, but it could even be like I'm thinking like high schoolers. @ncfrontiersman: You could have a bundle for them to learn how to build whatever ideas that they have, like a kit. @ncfrontiersman: You got like the Mark Rober STEM engineering kits that come in the mail and stuff like that. But this could be like a thing where you come up with this builder's kit, and it comes with everything you need to kind of get started, and you just go off with that. @ncfrontiersman: I mean, I also think about right now, there's a lot of industries that have software that is super highly customized. @ncfrontiersman: They hired a company to build it. I mean, I used to be one of those companies, like commercial insurance or whatever you want to say. @ncfrontiersman: And it's like you have this highly custom piece of software, and it's really hard to maintain. It's expensive. @ncfrontiersman: A lot of times, after a few years, people stop. They don't know how to write code in that old language anymore, and so you got to figure that out. @ncfrontiersman: And so if you had these kits that are kind of AI-native and forward that work in Omarchy, I think there's a lot of use cases there, so. And I don't think it has to be complicated. @ncfrontiersman: I think kind of what you're talking about is just really like orchestration or organization of installing the different plugins that make it up and then some good skills to kind of point it in the right direction. I could see something like this being part of Omarchy. @NixFred: 100%. @ncfrontiersman: You know what I mean? @NixFred: Yeah. And also called to construct. I took a look at your promisemeaforever.com, and it looks amazing. @NixFred: And leading people to how the world can be a more positive place is incredible. And the way that you talk about putting things together, what I would say to you is, if you've got that idea and you think that you and it's important to you, and you think putting things like that together would be worthwhile, well, guess what, man? @NixFred: If you have that idea, other people probably need the same and can't articulate it as well as you do. And so if you think of it, put it out there. @NixFred: And then there's one final thing I want to say about what you talked about earlier. @NixFred: So important to get the kids and the younger generation onto Linux before they even see Windows and the other thing. And I think it's amazing the way that you, instead of saying sure to your daughters, "Yeah, I'll make you that game," the key thing that in my mind, the key thing that you did there was make them invest in it. @NixFred: And you said, "Sit down, and you got to write your own game." And I think that was the hinge point. @NixFred: And you're going to remember this, and they're going to remember this because it did a couple of things. And the most important piece is it made them invest in it. @NixFred: They got to see the output. And I think that you taught them and educated them on what the possibilities are. @NixFred: Their next step, and I don't think it's going to be too much farther before they go, "Dad, how do I do that myself? Would you show me how? @NixFred: Because I got a couple of more ideas." And as soon as that happens, and as soon as they see their ideas come to life and how easy it is to actually do, they're going to be bitten by the bug, and that's it. @NixFred: For the rest of their life, they're going to be able to make their own products, and they're going to be able to drive a computer with confidence. And the thing with kids is that their confidence levels have to be up, or they're scared of it, and they won't use it. @NixFred: And what you did was build a bridge for these kids to feel like that their input matters, that the things that they want to make are possible. And I commend you, man. @NixFred: That's amazing. @calledtocnstrct: Yeah. Well, thank you for that. I'll tell you, the other thing I did, I kind of forgot to mention it, was last week when I talked with when I visited my kids and my grandkids, I asked them, I said, "What's your favorite subject?" @calledtocnstrct: And one was like Pokémon. One was ice cream. @calledtocnstrct: One was Monster Trucks. I built a theme. @calledtocnstrct: I had Grok build a theme for all of those subjects. And so then I had each one of them come over to the laptop, and I said, "Here's what your laptop looks like." @calledtocnstrct: And I taught them Super Space. And it's like that's kind of one of the only things you really have to know. @calledtocnstrct: And then Super W to close. And they just thought it was incredible. @calledtocnstrct: And then they came up with like 1,000 different theme ideas they wanted to have. But it was so much fun. @calledtocnstrct: It was like the best week I've had in a long time. Regarding the bundles, I do have a discussion out on the Omarchi project. @calledtocnstrct: There's a discussion for it. If people like the idea, if you comment and upvote, I think that would help get some visibility. @calledtocnstrct: If you have alternate ideas or something that we could collaborate on, definitely let me know. I've got some other ideas out there. @calledtocnstrct: I'm trying to help out with triage and do some PRs with the Omarchi packaging to get some risk and controls in there. And so anyway, if you want to collaborate on anything, let me know. @ncfrontiersman: I'm going to fire off a tweet on that right now, and I'll retweet it to the folks here in this social, and we'll keep it going. So I'll keep watching your space. Throw a tweet up there. @ncfrontiersman: Let's retweet it, and let's see how far we can get you. @calledtocnstrct: And thanks so much for doing these spaces. It's been so much fun tuning in and listening and meeting all the people that are showing up. It's Omarchi. @NixFred: Well, you got Wes to thank for the original idea doing that. And let me ask you one last question, man. And if you want to speak, please go ahead and request. @NixFred: Let me ask you a question. This may be a little personal. @NixFred: When we're using the computer, for me, Omarchi kind of gets me back to that kid excitement feeling. For me, it does. @NixFred: That Disney World excitement. And did you get a touch of that when you saw your kids' faces light up when they saw their own ideas come to light? @calledtocnstrct: Oh, absolutely. So my first interaction with the computer was when I was 11 on an original IBM. So I've been in the industry for decades, giving away my age a little bit, but I don't mind. @calledtocnstrct: And when I could sit down and my father taught mathematics. When I could sit down and he was like, "Oh, if you want to learn how to program, here, do this equation and plot it on the screen." @calledtocnstrct: And so I had to learn how to put the machine into graphics mode and then plot in pixels on the screen when I'm like 11, 12 years old. And it was just a whole new world opened up. @calledtocnstrct: And nobody was around to share it with. But I could still I could sit down and I could learn something. @calledtocnstrct: I could get the computer to do something. And my desire has always been to help other people to be able to do that, to feel empowered, to be able to drive technology to where you need it to be for yourself. @calledtocnstrct: And so attending meetups and helping people onboard to IT, all these kinds of things I've been able to do. But my kids have always felt like they couldn't necessarily do that. @calledtocnstrct: They're busy. They got their families to take care of. @calledtocnstrct: And this is one of those things that's always been a specialized. You had to spend years and years and years to learn it. @calledtocnstrct: And now my daughter, who's middle-aged, has four kids, never written a program in her life. Even at college, she was in a different program, and she didn't need to get into computer programming. @calledtocnstrct: And she sat down, and within half an hour, she had a game that all four of the kids could play. And even the adults had fun. @calledtocnstrct: It was amazing. @NixFred: That is wonderful, Bruce. Thank you for stopping by and sharing your story. And I kind of got a little touch of that feeling myself, man. @NixFred: Thank you so much for stopping by. @calledtocnstrct: Awesome. Thank you. @NixFred: Hey, Mark. We got an expert in the room. Marcelo is our next speaker, and he is a principal engineer and architect. @NixFred: I can't say where, but he's a big shot. Marcelo, bro, are you as bummed out as me about the Nvidia cutting the RAM in half on the Spark? @NixFred: I saw your post on that. It's ridiculous. @maralcbr: You mean the four monitors running on the M2 Max? @NixFred: Yeah. So Nvidia, I saw your post about it. They basically cut the RAM on the DGX Spark in half to 64, and they priced the same. @maralcbr: Yeah. So something hello, everyone. My name is Marcelo. @maralcbr: I work with the Omarchi team, focusing on the M1 Max, the Apple silicon. But what I do as a for career, yeah, I am an AI engineer and architect. @maralcbr: I have been doing that for the last three years and a half over my 25 years of software engineering career. And yeah, one of the topics that I'm quite interested in and I consult on is around tokenomics, is around how companies can optimize their AI given the costs that keep fluctuating, right? @maralcbr: And this example was exactly that. A machine that was supposed to bring local AI more and more accessible, they just basically doubled the price, right? @maralcbr: If you half the RAM, you're basically doubling the price of the machine, and it was quite disappointing. But not only that, like last week, OpenAI cut half of the credits from their Pro 200 account. @maralcbr: Every week, something happens, right? And it has been usually around reducing credits to increasing, although they claim the models are being optimized, but you never know the quantization they are using, right? @maralcbr: They say the model, but what's becoming more and more obvious is that they release the models at full quant. And then as weeks pass by, they start to quantize them so that they can fit more models in the GPU. @maralcbr: And that's what people are starting to measure right around the nerfing, right? People talk about the nerfing of the models. @maralcbr: That's exactly that. You see the models, it's still the same model, but they perform a bit better. @maralcbr: And the guess from the industry is around quantization. There is no transparency around the quantization. @maralcbr: But hey, this space is about Omarchi, right? @NixFred: Yeah, man. @maralcbr: But no, we are super excited with what's coming on Omarchi, like our Aurora kernel. So we have been able to give more and more compatibility to machines. We have people working on all models all the way from, well, M2 and M1 and M2 are cracked, right, beside Touch ID, which we are already finalizing testing. @maralcbr: So Touch ID is coming out. But we have people working on the GPU for M3, M4, M5, and M6, and the Neo, right? @maralcbr: The Neo is like 95% complete. So the idea is that we're going to be supporting all models. @maralcbr: And even today, I saw that Wes put something in relation to if it was Asahi, right? So no, it's not. @maralcbr: We are for Asahi, and we're going our own direction that we Asahi has a rule that they don't support AI, and we are very much AI-driven, right? @maralcbr: We have some senior people, and we try to use AI with an engineering approach. And we are getting very successful with this approach, and we're going to keep pushing and the idea that Omarchi is going to be in all models. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: I think the guy's question was, are we going to be contributing this to Asashi or whatever, however you pronounce it. And I said, no, I didn't want to get too into the weeds, but I appreciate you saying that. @ncfrontiersman: We've worked it. We have good reason for that. @ncfrontiersman: And yeah, I mean, I think there's this implication that if you use AI, that you're just vibe coding. That's not what's happening at all here. @ncfrontiersman: There is very strict engineering practices being put into the way we build this stuff. And so you should feel at ease knowing that that's happening. @ncfrontiersman: It's just some people don't get that nuance, I think. So yeah. @ncfrontiersman: Well, it's good to hear from you. Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: There's a lot coming for Max very soon. I mean, there's been a lot of momentum, so I think it'll land pretty soon here. @ncfrontiersman: So yeah, anything else you want to share? Aside from all that, Marcelo, are you building anything, any plugins or apps? @maralcbr: Oh, yeah. I was going to share one. So I don't know. @maralcbr: Do you use Plex? Wes, Nix, do you use Plex for your videos at home? @NixFred: Oh, yeah. @maralcbr: Yeah. So Plex has been over time just reducing the features too, right? It's starting to ask for subscriptions. @maralcbr: And I don't know if you have that live pass. I never got one. @NixFred: Yeah, I got it back when it was 50 bucks, years back ago. @maralcbr: Yeah. Now I need to pay monthly, right? @NixFred: Yeah. @maralcbr: So a couple of weeks ago, I decided that I was going to create my own Plex. @NixFred: Nice. @maralcbr: I'm still trying to land the name for that, but I'm thinking about calling it Oma Play. @NixFred: I love it. @maralcbr: And yeah, I would say it's like 75% complete. Last night, I was doing testing, and it's doing transcriptions. It's doing mapping the episodes you watch to make sure that the positions are correct, that you always finish and go to the next one. @maralcbr: There's a lot of details that are very interesting that I never thought about before getting into that. But yeah, this is something that I'm excited, a side project that I'm excited that's going to be coming out. @maralcbr: And yeah, maybe it's going to be Oma Play. @NixFred: Hey. I'm willing to jump in on you because I'm a big movie fan just like everybody else. So hit me up if you want me to poke around in it. @NixFred: Happy to help. I often PR for folks, and I'm happy to do it for you. @maralcbr: Yeah. Let's go. @NixFred: Send it over. You can't flex too if you want. @maralcbr: Yeah. @NixFred: You know what I'm saying? You're flexing on Plex, right? Oh, man, that's awesome. @NixFred: Cool. Well, that's awesome. @ncfrontiersman: It's always fun to have one of those pet projects that you kind of feel passionate about and you have fun that's different from the grind of kernel work. Because the kernel work and all that, there's a lot of rebooting and waiting. @ncfrontiersman: Feedback loops pretty slow sometimes. Yeah. @ncfrontiersman: You want that opening that quick hit where you see your results immediately and you don't effectively get that on kernel work. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. But it's interesting. Sometimes I'm going to make a behind-the-scenes video sometime to show the lab here. @ncfrontiersman: So for example, I have one laptop controlling another three laptops, and they have cables to the VGM. So they can cold boot the laptops to retest kernel. @ncfrontiersman: And then I have another VM with a beefed up server here that does x86. So when we make changes on the Mac, we retest them on that x86 to make sure it didn't affect in any way the x86 installation. @ncfrontiersman: So it's really when I mentioned about engineering for the compiling of the kernels like this, it's really we are creating a whole automation to go really at industrial scale, and that's how we can move at all that speed. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. @ncfrontiersman: That's the only way to do it. You spend that time. @ncfrontiersman: Sometimes it feels like a lot upfront, but it pays off in the long run when you can invest upfront. Pay me now or pay me later kind of thing. @ncfrontiersman: So I think that's great. @maralcbr: And I think another thing to share, so Oxyro is working on the local AI, right? And I have been collaborating with him. So one of the things I do is, well, that's my profession, right, around the local AI and tokenomics. @maralcbr: So I have a multi-GPU server that I'm testing for Oxyro. I don't know if you guys saw a recent post that I did about that. @maralcbr: But yeah, the local AI is going to be really cool. And the idea is to connect that with MLX for the Mac too at some stage. @maralcbr: So yeah, it's a cool plugin to install and to load models into your Omarchi machine. @ncfrontiersman: Wow. Yeah. I mean, I love where that's going. @ncfrontiersman: I mean, maybe one day we'll get there. We can have it all local. @ncfrontiersman: Who knows? Wonderful. @ncfrontiersman: Well, thanks for hopping in, man. It's good to hear from you. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Good. The time zone matched, right? @ncfrontiersman: I'm here in Australia, East Coast, right? So it's 6:26 in the morning of Monday. @ncfrontiersman: So you guys are like, oh, what are you doing awake, right? @ncfrontiersman: Well, thanks for joining, man. You're calling in. You're about to start the week. @ncfrontiersman: That's great. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. It's holiday here today. @ncfrontiersman: Okay. All right. Cool. @ncfrontiersman: Well, I hope you have a good week, Marcelo. Oh, my gosh. @ncfrontiersman: Is that Hollis? It is. @ncfrontiersman: Woo. What's up, Chris? @hicsfh: Hey. Hey, guys. Hey, Fred. @hicsfh: Hey, Wes. @NixFred: What's up? Hey, Chris. How's it going? @hicsfh: Pretty good. Pretty good. Thank you for I feel like I'm falling into a radio. @ncfrontiersman: I was telling Fred that he used to be on NPR, Click and Clac. I don't know if you remember that. @hicsfh: That just proves you're old, Chris. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. @hicsfh: Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. @hicsfh: Well, I guess I wanted to is there anything you guys want to ask me? Or you just want me to give my spiel about Apple? @NixFred: Yeah, man. Let's hear the I mean, you work on so much stuff. I mean, it's hard to keep up with the AI space. @NixFred: And you make it more difficult, man, because you're just so quick at putting stuff out and helping folks. And I mean, it's amazing. @NixFred: We want to hear anything you want to talk about. @hicsfh: All right. Sure. Well, it's a little introduction. @hicsfh: My Omarchi experience started back with if you can even if you can even trace it that far back, if that's even fair. But I started with OmaCube, which was the original Omakase idea that David had, but he applied it to Ubuntu. @hicsfh: So OmaCube. It's funny how Omarchi is the perfect name because Oma is the perfect it's like that prefix just goes with anything you want to make. @hicsfh: You can just put Oma in front of it and you got a name. @NixFred: That's right. It just sets you up for success automatically. That's right. @NixFred: Told me it meant grandma too in another language. I can't remember. @hicsfh: Oh, that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. @hicsfh: So I started with OmaCube and then switched to Omarchi. I think the great thing for me is and I'm saying it wrong. @hicsfh: I know. I just can't. @hicsfh: OmaCube. @NixFred: We all say it wrong. @hicsfh: So I switched to that. And I think the greatest thing for me is really I've tried to use Linux many, many, many, many times, and I've always come away with a sense of I don't have time. I just don't have enough time to invest in this to get it to a point where I need it to be. @hicsfh: So David took kind of together with him and Ryan, they took away the they took that away, and now you have a system where everything's stable pretty much as you would expect it to be, right? Surely stable or more stable than Mac and Windows. @hicsfh: And that's just fantastic. And the approach now taken with Quatro really pushing on the AI front, which, of course, we were doing before, but now even more so, is quite remarkable. @hicsfh: And the malleable OS is not just something we say. It's true, and it's extremely powerful. @hicsfh: I think what I'm most excited about and why I built Atmos is so Atmos is this I'm not really sure, honestly, what product segment it lands in, but let's just say preference pane, config panel, whatever. @NixFred: I use it every single hour I'm on my machine. @hicsfh: That's awesome. Makes me extremely happy to hear that. I think I don't know exactly where we're going to end up with it, and I think it's going to be more than just configuration. @hicsfh: But the idea is that I think the original sort of idea with OmaCube was, okay, you're going to have key bindings, and you're going to use Superspace and Neovim and all that kind of stuff. I'm more of a mouse person. @hicsfh: I'm not super good at remembering all that stuff. So I needed something where I could get a bird's-eye view of everything on my machine. @hicsfh: And here's the really cool thing about Linux is you can actually access that. You can access pretty much everything you need to know, if not everything, about your computer. @hicsfh: It's there. If you know how. @NixFred: And more that you didn't even realize was there, for sure. @hicsfh: Yeah. Yeah. And on Windows, I think it's a little bit more easier to find stuff if you're willing to dig into the registry and things like that and all sorts of other crazy things. @hicsfh: And on Mac, it's almost completely shut down. And it seems like they're even moving closer to shutting things down even more with the full disk thing. @hicsfh: I saw that earlier. I don't know exactly what that was. @hicsfh: So the great thing about this is we're building a tool now. You can monitor your PC and not just your CPU, but all sorts of different whatever sensors I can get my hands on, I want to show them in Atmos and also find different and interesting charting and graphing options to show them in a way that's compelling and delightful. @hicsfh: But we also have ways to control your desktop, ways to control your key bindings, and visualize your key bindings so you can see it all in one place. I think it's a little bit more easier than the key bindings panel you can get up with Superspace. @hicsfh: We have hardware, drivers, disk, power controls, and just a ton of different things. There's something that if you use Omachi, you may not know that this is a thing, but Omachi has a concept of hooks, which is used to drive a lot of the stuff that goes on behind the scene with the so-called .files/bash scripts. @hicsfh: So you can even see what hooks are running, and you can add stuff to the hooks. So when an update goes through, maybe you want to have something custom running, you can add that via Atmos. @hicsfh: And one of the really cool things that I think you contributed, Fred, was the Oma file, which is you can take everything just take it with a grain of salt when I say everything. This is a work in progress. @hicsfh: It moved very fast. But the idea is that you can export an Oma file, and it's a markdown. @hicsfh: And that's your invention. It's a readable markdown file that a computer or an ALM can understand. @hicsfh: And so not only can Atmos itself take that markdown file and parse it as actual data and then set up your entire computer or all the Atmos control settings the way you like them, but you can also hand it off to an LLM and be like, "Here's my Oma file. Can you just forget about Atmos, but just go in and configure everything according to this?" @NixFred: Yeah. So two things I do with Atmos. Number one is I've got a super key to make it automatically because I use it a lot. @NixFred: I'm not kidding. I've got a super key that drops it down like a quake terminal so that I can get to it really quick, which I highly recommend. @NixFred: And the export-import thing, I use that all the time. And because when I'm installing a potato or just something that's kind of a throwaway machine, I don't want to have to configure a bunch. @NixFred: So I have different Atmos exports that I can just apply the import to really quickly duplicate a machine. So it does two things for me. @NixFred: It's kind of a backup of my main machine, which I call Gus. And it's also a way to distribute and clone a machine to something else. @hicsfh: Yep. Yep. And it's actually really, really great. @hicsfh: And it's so lightweight. @NixFred: You did great. @NixFred: And thank you. Thank you. It was an accident. @NixFred: Tell the story. How was it an accident? @ncfrontiersman: It's an accident, right? @hicsfh: It was a happy accident. But yeah. @NixFred: Okay. Now you got me. I'm intrigued. @NixFred: What was the accident? @hicsfh: I mean, it was I think this is kind of one of the key ideas about what we're doing with AI is that I think most of us it's like a human thing. We're made to invent things. It's like one of our primary, I guess, evolutionary advantages is that we just come up with things, and we just want to try them out. @hicsfh: And with AI for computers, the barrier in order to the idea, which is always the "easy" part, and actually having something that works, that's the hard part. But now with AI, and especially on Omachi, you can go from "I wonder" to actually having something up and running. @hicsfh: And yeah, I don't remember exactly the chain of events for me, but Atmos right now is way bigger and way cooler and way more amazing than I ever thought it would be. @NixFred: I agree. @hicsfh: And then posting about it, it's just not this was not my intention. This was not planned. This is just how it ended up with. @hicsfh: And it's incredibly cool to have been a part of making that. @NixFred: Well, I've been calling it for a couple of weeks, and I think it's going to likely end up as a part of the native install myself. I think it'll get there. The only reason it wouldn't is because DHH is a little bit against having global settings, as I understand it. @NixFred: But it's so useful, man. I use it all the time. @hicsfh: Yeah. We're having conversations. @hicsfh: Wes is on that. I'm a member as well. @hicsfh: I'm a member and volunteer in the, I guess, group or whatever you want to call it. So there are conversations about how we're going to take that part of the system moving forward. @hicsfh: I obviously cannot speak at all to what that direction is going to be, but there's definitely some, I think, support for maybe if it's not built in, maybe there's a quick that's the great thing about Superspace is you can just if you want something, you can bring it up in, I don't know, 10 seconds. You could have this thing up and running. @hicsfh: And that's good enough for me as far as being built in. And I think it's a lot the same even though I think Flee is I'm pretty sure Flee is going to land in mainline Omachi. @NixFred: Yeah. That's by GM, the guy GM. @hicsfh: Yeah. Yeah. And so that has a lot more I mean, it kind of let's say it's a little bit down the same line, I think, because that is a graphical user interface as well or something that you could definitely use if you are fancy enough with your terminal. @hicsfh: You could do everything in there. You could do with your GUI. @hicsfh: But I think it's a good example of something where reaching for the terminal becomes overly complicated compared to using a graphical user interface because there is so much data that you need to read back when you're looking at files and kind of stuff. And I think the same thing applies with these configurations and really the kind of configurations that we want Atmos to kind of be able to do and deal with. @hicsfh: And I'm talking one of the things that I want to get into is deep, deep Linux configurations, kernel configurations. Another thing that's going on with Omachi is, of course, the bespoke kernel, right? @hicsfh: That is likely going to open up, in my estimation, a lot more things that we can tweak and configure to our liking. @ncfrontiersman: Yeah. Totally has. I mean, we've already started with the Mac side, so. @ncfrontiersman: Well, hey, it's cool to hear from you, Chris. It's exciting everything you've been building and the discovery. @ncfrontiersman: And I love accidents like that. I mean, to be honest with you, Oma Storm was kind of that way too. @ncfrontiersman: It wasn't like I had this grand plan. It was just like Labor Day weekend. @ncfrontiersman: I'm like, "Let me see." And then you kind of stumble and get pulled through it. @ncfrontiersman: And all of a sudden, you're on the other side, and you're like, "What just happened? This is awesome." @hicsfh: Yeah. Exactly. @ncfrontiersman: Well, you're always welcome, Chris. Thank you for dropping by, and thank you for your contribution to the Omachi community, brother. You rock. @hicsfh: Thank you. You too. Thank you. @ncfrontiersman: Well, Fred, I think it's that time, man. I think we've been going an hour and 40 minutes. It's been a great. @NixFred: Wow. Has it already been that long? @ncfrontiersman: It sure has. It's been a wonderful time today with everybody. I guess you got any closing words of wisdom for us? @NixFred: Wow, that's a big ask. Wisdom for me, I'm not sure. @ncfrontiersman: We're dad joke works too. @NixFred: Yeah. Yeah. So those of you that weren't able to speak today, we apologize. @NixFred: The most important thing is please, while I'm rambling and closing up here, please follow everybody you're not following, especially the ones that already follow you. Reach out. @NixFred: Like I always say, the Omachi community helps each other. We're courteous. @NixFred: We're kind. No politics. @NixFred: Help an old woman across the street. And after you get her across the street, put Omachi on her laptop. @ncfrontiersman: There you go. There you go. All right. @ncfrontiersman: Well, I hope everybody has a wonderful rest of the day and a great week, and we'll see you next time. @NixFred: All right. Congratulations, Wes. It's amazing. @ncfrontiersman: Thank you, brother. @NixFred: Yep. Thank you. @NixFred: All right. Bye-bye, everybody. @ncfrontiersman: Bye.