@ncfrontiersman:
Hello.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right.

@NixFred:
Hey, what's up, Wes? Can you hear me all right?

@ncfrontiersman:
Hey, Fred. Let me see you here.

@NixFred:
Can you hear me?

@ncfrontiersman:
I sure can.

@NixFred:
All right. How do I sound?

@ncfrontiersman:
All right.

@ncfrontiersman:
Sound good?

@ncfrontiersman:
Sound good.

@NixFred:
Cool, cool. Hey, everybody, we're trying to get the chat going in this space and having a hard time finding where to open up the actual chat where people can post URLs and post their projects and stuff. Sometimes it's in the bottom next to the scissors, but I never see it.

@NixFred:
If anybody could post something in there just to get it started so we can all post our projects and follow each other, that'd be tremendous.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yep, sounds good.

@NixFred:
Crowdsourcing.

@ncfrontiersman:
I would pull it up on my phone, but I'm afraid I'll drop the X.

@NixFred:
Are you on your phone this... are you on your phone?

@ncfrontiersman:
No, no, I'm on the computer.

@NixFred:
Fantastic, fantastic. All right.

@ncfrontiersman:
Quite a few people early today.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
I'd like to see it.

@NixFred:
Got to love them. There's Patrick and Catherine's here again. James, my man, I just had a conversation with him the other day.

@NixFred:
He's...

@ncfrontiersman:
Oh, yeah?

@NixFred:
Yeah. He's up at 3:00 AM right now over in Singapore just to be here. Thanks for waking up on us for us, James.

@ncfrontiersman:
Wow. Wow. Thanks, James.

@ncfrontiersman:
It's great to have you.

@NixFred:
Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right.

@NixFred:
And there's Basti, my man.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah, I'm glad I missed out with you guys, but I'll get you next time.

@NixFred:
Absolutely. You were missed, man. And there's Studio X.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right. Yeah, Studio. I saw Studio is doing some stuff with an M4.

@NixFred:
He is, man. And called the Construct from last week.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yep.

@NixFred:
Sven is here. He is hilarious.

@NixFred:
Hey, Sven, I just followed you back. If anybody... if you're following me and I'm not following you back, please hit a heart or something.

@NixFred:
I'm trying to get everybody I can. Johnny, got you.

@NixFred:
Cold, got you. Let's see here.

@NixFred:
Most every... oh, there's one, Barnes. Hey, man, everybody follow everybody here.

@NixFred:
Just by being here, we all have the same interest and we want to grow our fellowship. So follow everybody.

@NixFred:
Jack, got you.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yep.

@NixFred:
KGB, got you.

@NixFred:
I think that's it.

@ncfrontiersman:
That's it. Yeah, I think I'm going through now because I've missed a few as well.

@NixFred:
Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right. Precious, is this your first time here?

@ncfrontiersman:
Welcome.

@NixFred:
Got it.

@ncfrontiersman:
Very good.

@NixFred:
What's going on this week, man? It's like every single week it gets crazier.

@ncfrontiersman:
I know. It has been crazy.

@NixFred:
And I feel like I do this like 12 hours a day and I still feel behind. So if you're feeling behind, everybody's feeling behind.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. For sure.

@ncfrontiersman:
Let's see. Precious wants to speak for a second here.

@ncfrontiersman:
Well, it dropped off. Well, we will get to you after a few minutes here when we're opening up the floor to let everybody speak for sure that wants to.

@NixFred:
Yeah, there goes Chris. Chris Sallis.

@ncfrontiersman:
Chris, all right. Joel, what's up? Joel, how's it going, man?

@NixFred:
The Lord said he'd be here.

@ncfrontiersman:
There he is. Yep. There's Norman.

@ncfrontiersman:
Very good.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right. Two minutes and we already got a lot of people hopping in.

@ncfrontiersman:
Wonderful. It's going to be a good show.

@ncfrontiersman:
I'm excited. Fred, you've got... I think you've got a top 10 list for us from what I've heard.

@NixFred:
I always do. I think it shows my age a little bit from the David Letterman era, which a lot of people here probably don't even know who that is.

@ncfrontiersman:
You got your little index cards.

@NixFred:
Oh, yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Just don't hit me when you throw it.

@NixFred:
Hey, one of these weeks, man, if you want, I'm going to drive up there and let's do this in person.

@ncfrontiersman:
Oh, that'd be cool. Never thought about that. Yeah, because you're in Atlanta.

@NixFred:
Yeah, yeah. I could drive up there, maybe come up on a Wednesday and spend the week with you. I'm just kidding.

@NixFred:
No, I would drive in just to do the show and come back.

@ncfrontiersman:
Leaves are changing pretty soon up here. Probably be a pretty drive through the mountains.

@NixFred:
Yeah, no doubt. There's Lee Shands, my man. Filling up.

@NixFred:
Again, if anybody can find where you actually post comments for the space, please light that up because we can never find it. And we want to have everybody be able to share their projects and follow each other.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah, I don't see it at all.

@NixFred:
I know. I look for it every time. I never can find it.

@NixFred:
Somebody out there's a lot smarter than us are going to find it.

@ncfrontiersman:
Probably.

@NixFred:
I wonder if it's on your actual post where you opened up the space itself.

@ncfrontiersman:
Could be. Let me see here.

@ncfrontiersman:
I don't see it there, and I do not want to click reconnect because I don't want to drop people, so.

@NixFred:
Yep.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right. We're almost there. We got one minute till time and plenty of folks, so I think we can get started on time today.

@NixFred:
All right.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right. Here we are. Fred said, "What's going on, man?"

@NixFred:
Hey, yeah, I had a great week. I've been monitoring my tokens better and staying on pace instead of burning everything on the first couple of days of my reset. So that's been nice.

@NixFred:
Got to chat with Basti this week. What an incredible dude.

@NixFred:
Got to chat with James over in Singapore. I'd still love to one-on-one chat with anybody.

@NixFred:
If you're interested in chatting, I'd love to hear about what you're up to and what you're doing. I know it seems strange to bounce from X over to a one-on-one chat, and that can be frightening and kind of weird, but I know that Portion and some other folks and Lee and James are reaching out and having one-on-one Zooms with folks, and I think that's how we grow.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah, man. I agree with that.

@ncfrontiersman:
A lot of life happens in the small conversations.

@NixFred:
Yes.

@ncfrontiersman:
I think that's wonderful. Well, all right.

@NixFred:
Yeah. So I'm going to kind of put together the week in one breath and kind of run through that. So last Sunday, we had 155 folks, and I think we're going to beat that this week, which is great because it's bringing the community together.

@NixFred:
We had 11 folks come up and speak, and they talked about the things that they had, and I bet we're going to at least do that this week. Ivan, I don't see him on.

@NixFred:
Ivan shipped out MeshCore Atlas, which allows to message your AI machine over the mesh radio. Catherine set up to launch her newsletter last Tuesday.

@NixFred:
Lee showed off the Big Button Companion, who is here today. And some of the big news, SpaceX donated $1.5 million in Grok tokens to the Omacore Foundation.

@NixFred:
And Namespace, the ARM folks gave a hundred grand for compute for ARM testing. Our buddy Josh Warren built an iPhone app on Omarchy that allows you to connect to it with no Mac at all, which is amazing.

@NixFred:
And about almost 10,000 people like that, which is insane. What else have we got?

@NixFred:
Ryan merged our own Ryan Hughes merged 111 comments of the Oppo Silicon into Omarchy itself, which Wes, I bet you had a hand in some of that stuff, which allows.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah, I had a couple commits in there. Yeah.

@NixFred:
Amazing. So Touch ID now works. The taskbar now works.

@NixFred:
And there's over 2,000 clones in two days on that project, which is crazy. And Wes, last week, you guessed that the marketplace passing 5,000 plugins, and this week we actually hit 5,100 something new plugins.

@NixFred:
And the last part is the official brand new X account at Omarchy announced that Caps Lock is going to be left alone in the next version. So I know that'll make a lot of folks here happy.

@NixFred:
So that's kind of what happened this week. We'll do the top 10 list a little bit later, but what do you got for us, Wes?

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah, that's a lot of stuff. That's incredible. I really love focusing on what the people in this crew are building.

@ncfrontiersman:
To me, that's the coolest thing is just to see where everybody's minds at and what they're cooking, right? So I'm loving to hear that.

@ncfrontiersman:
One other thing I saw in the community that DHH posted was there's going to be a Hyperlane remote, basically like a remote desktop app coming.

@NixFred:
Yeah, Grif, G-L-I-F-F, Glyph. I downloaded it and started playing around with it a little bit. The one thing it lacks is a front end.

@NixFred:
So I'm working on a little easy button or something for that.

@ncfrontiersman:
Okay. Yeah, there's an opportunity right there. Because, yeah, that's coming from the other Windows and Mac.

@ncfrontiersman:
It was nice to have that ability to do remote desktop, but it looks like we're getting it. So pretty sweet what you can do these days so quickly.

@ncfrontiersman:
But yeah, yeah, I'm kind of I kind of called this week Sunday Builders Club because all of us are building something. And whether it's an app or we're building up our resume or we're building up our legacy, all these things we're building up.

@ncfrontiersman:
And I'd love to just share with each other in that building and help build each other up, right? And so what can we do to share in people's successes?

@ncfrontiersman:
And when people are struggling, lift the other up and help them out. And so that's kind of what we're all about here.

@ncfrontiersman:
And so I feel like, yeah, I want to start spotlighting more and more people here and what you all are building and how you're building it and kind of dig in more into beyond the surface of I created a cool plugin to I built a product or a solution or something, and I've got maybe some customers coming to it or I'm working to support this thing. What do I do?

@ncfrontiersman:
I'm feeling overwhelmed. I'm getting all these tickets coming in or getting these issues coming in.

@ncfrontiersman:
And how do we manage that flow that starts happening once the euphoria wears off if I build this cool thing? Because it comes in waves, but yeah, I think it would be cool for us to dive into that a little bit today.

@ncfrontiersman:
And if anybody is kind of in the midst of building and launching something and you need some advice or just another pair of digital eyes, rubber duck, we're here so we can talk about it. But yeah.

@NixFred:
Yeah. So this whole space originally, you as the host, was originally your idea. And it wasn't, what, I guess, four weeks ago we started this and the idea was to help the newcomers.

@NixFred:
And I think you smartly have kind of pivoted that most of the people here are not newcomers and they're actually starting to build stuff. And small pivots, we still want to help our newbies that come in, but I think the listeners are starting to come in and they're like, "Okay, I got the new stuff.

@NixFred:
I'm good with that. What's the next step?"

@NixFred:
And I think you brilliantly are pivoting to the Builders Club versus the Newbie Club, and I love it.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. And anybody can be a builder, right? I mean, we're definitely going to dig in more and go deeper here, but I mean, building just means you're willing to roll your sleeves up.

@ncfrontiersman:
And the first sign of trouble or problem you hit, you're willing to put your head down and just keep pushing. Keep pounding like the Panthers football team slogan is.

@ncfrontiersman:
Just keep pounding, right? Because it's not all pretty.

@ncfrontiersman:
It's not all roses. I mean, there's going to be headwinds, especially when you're doing something worthwhile.

@ncfrontiersman:
But in the end, man, the payoff is great. And it's satisfaction that you get from helping people or building something cool is amazing.

@ncfrontiersman:
So yeah.

@NixFred:
And you mentioned that euphoria a couple of minutes ago, and that word really sunk in with me because I don't know about you guys, but for me, it's still a whole lot of fun, but sometimes it's starting to feel like work a little bit when I'm really wanting to get something right to put out and make it worthwhile, make it usable for other folks. It's still fun, but there is a little that work feeling kind of creeps in. Is that happening to you, Wes?

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. It has. And I've noticed that I've been using AI.

@ncfrontiersman:
My job was pretty forward in all of this. Before Opus 4.5 came out even, we were going full bore into it when it was still very... I mean, it probably is still somewhat, but controversial.

@ncfrontiersman:
And you go through all the phases of AI psychosis, and so it's like the stages of grief, right? You're like, "Man, everything I learned doesn't even matter anymore."

@ncfrontiersman:
But then you kind of go through that and you go, "Oh, man, I could build anything in the world. This is amazing."

@ncfrontiersman:
And then you kind of come back down to earth for a little bit and you're like, "Well, I can, but I don't know if I can support everything." I don't know if is this really just because I can, does that mean I should kind of thing?

@ncfrontiersman:
And then you kind of settle into this spot where it's like, "Wow, actually, I have a lot of new superpowers and tools at my disposal to build pretty much anything I put my mind to, but I still got to put my mind to it. And I still got to do the hard work of figuring out what it is."

@ncfrontiersman:
Depends on what you're doing. If you're building a product to release out there, what is it that is this actually solving a need or is this a solution in search of a problem kind of thing?

@NixFred:
Yeah. Yeah. And I know you've done the same with Omastorm, and I've done the same with some of my Blip and Infomarchy, is that I kind of run out of ideas of what to do with it, and I feel like the code's pretty tight.

@NixFred:
And the magic happened for me with Blip and with Infomarchy that you open it up for PRs and people, like a lot of folks in this room, start throwing in PRs and they come up with features and break or fixes and ideas that I never would have come up with. So it's kind of like this push and pull between like it's like Omastorm is yours, but I've seen you accept PRs and pull other features and things into your project.

@NixFred:
And it's a hard thing to figure out. I feel so guilty when somebody comes up with a Blip idea and I'm like, "Not really the vision.

@NixFred:
Don't want to do that." And I try to be kind about it.

@NixFred:
Does that happen to you?

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, people on this call, I mean, I love everybody here.

@ncfrontiersman:
I love all the contributions. But there are some things that come in that just they're wonderful and they'd be great on their own in their own app, but they're not really part of the vision of what I'm building.

@ncfrontiersman:
I'm like a ruthless prioritizer because every new feature I add is like tech day. It's like something else I have to worry about.

@ncfrontiersman:
Even if the initial code that comes in is awesome and it works well, well, what if that relies on a dependency and external library or package or something? And then down the road, that thing gets updated to a new version comes out of it.

@ncfrontiersman:
All of a sudden, now I've got that burden of figuring out what do I have to change in my app to make it work with it? Or if vulnerabilities come in, security vulnerabilities, I got to worry about that now.

@ncfrontiersman:
And then it's kind of like anytime you put something new out there, people are going to begin to expect that that always exists. That feature, you add that feature, and all of a sudden, if you ever think about taking it away, well, you better think twice.

@NixFred:
Yeah. I've also gotten folks that'll I've also had folks like on Blip that say, "Hey, I've got a Macintosh that's seven versions behind. Will you please make it work for that one?"

@NixFred:
I'm like, "I don't even have one."

@ncfrontiersman:
Right. Right. Right.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah, exactly. And sometimes it's not always like a yes or no, like, "Oh, I'm not going to do this."

@ncfrontiersman:
Sometimes it's like, "Let me take a step back. Is there something I can change in my app that makes it easier for them to do what they want to do in their environment without totally taking on that whole solution?"

@ncfrontiersman:
So example, I can't remember who it was. Somebody wanted Omastorm to follow the GPS location where based on the laptop's GPS sensor, I'm like, "Well, not everybody's got GPS on their laptop."

@ncfrontiersman:
So I don't want to add that and then have this branch of my code. What if I come up with a way to have a hook system or a config that is kind of just sits on the outside and then they can build their thing that sits kind of outside of Omastorm and give it the location and then Omastorm doesn't have to worry about how it got the location?

@ncfrontiersman:
So it's kind of an example of you can still help almost like if you're building a plugin system or something, that's a little bit more involved, but taking a step back and thinking compromise is always involved just like everything in life.

@NixFred:
Yeah. The other thing is when I tell people, "No," I think there's kind of a we're almost at the edge of it starting to happen. But a lot of times when I say no, I really highly encourage them to say, "Go fork it and make it yours and do your own thing."

@NixFred:
And so we talked about earlier when we started the space that your brain is the only limitation. If you can speak what you want to do and tell it, "I like that.

@NixFred:
I don't like that," then you can do it. And I think people are still in the proprietary software mind where they email or chat with the creator and say, "Will you update it to do this?"

@NixFred:
And I want to say, "Listen, you can do this yourself. You don't have to wait on me to do it.

@NixFred:
You can fork it and make it your own." And as soon as people do that, then they find problems with my code and they PR and everybody is happy.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah, totally. That's a great example. It's like, "Don't wait on me to fix it for you.

@ncfrontiersman:
You take care of do what you want. Make it how you want.

@ncfrontiersman:
And then kind of later on, we can figure out if it makes sense for this product or not."

@NixFred:
That's right. That's right.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yep. I totally agree with that. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
So yeah, it's something else. Once you get beyond that, man, I built this cool thing and people love it and get down into brass tacks, that's where sometimes you hit those headwinds, but it's just part of it.

@ncfrontiersman:
You just got to be willing to ride that out and just take it one step at a time and keep focused on what was my original intention in building this? Who is it for?

@ncfrontiersman:
Is it just for me or is it for the greater group of people or whatnot? And adding nobody wants an app with 1,000 features.

@ncfrontiersman:
They want apps that are targeted that do the job that was initially purported to do well. It's kind of like being a jack of all trades but a master of none.

@NixFred:
Yeah. Now, do you find like I find that I just start building stuff for myself and then it starts to occur, "Well, maybe some other folks might like what I'm doing." Do you start out with, "Everybody's going to want this, so I'll make it"?

@NixFred:
Or do you start out with, "I need this," and then, "Oh my gosh, everybody would like to have this"?

@ncfrontiersman:
I mean, I've tried both ways, but the way of trying to find what everybody else likes, that's a lot harder. To do it right, you need to do the market research and you need to do these trials and interview. I mean, that's what whole businesses are formed around.

@ncfrontiersman:
And I think it's almost like a shortcut or a cheat code. If you find something that's right around you, right, that is a problem that you need solved, and you solve it for yourself.

@ncfrontiersman:
And then you sit there and when you solve it, you take it through every edge case and you actually use it. You actually try it out in all these different ways.

@ncfrontiersman:
And then every time you run into a bug in it or an issue or something that feels like it has friction and it shouldn't, take the time to fix it then and then release it. I mean, there's nothing new under the sun.

@ncfrontiersman:
Most of these problems that we encounter, we're not the only people on Earth encountering them. So there's going to be and with the World Wide Web, you put something out there, with the right channel, it can get in front of anybody's eyes that need it.

@ncfrontiersman:
And so I think that's where I would always start because if you're not passionate about it, if you're building something just to make I mean, there's nothing wrong with doing things to make money. That's great.

@ncfrontiersman:
But if that's your only focus, I think you're going to have a harder time because the passion isn't going to be there to drive you through the hard parts when you don't things aren't going well and you're like, "Well, the heck with this. I'm just going to abandon it."

@ncfrontiersman:
Versus you building something that you love and use yourself, you're going to keep working on that and proving that. It just comes more naturally, I think.

@NixFred:
Amen. My grandfather used to say, "If you go after the money, you'll never get it. If you do the job right, it'll hit you in the back of the head."

@ncfrontiersman:
That's right. That's right. That's right.

@ncfrontiersman:
So true. Well, wow, we've got a crew here today.

@ncfrontiersman:
I don't know if anything else you want to talk about, Fred? You want to open up the floor?

@NixFred:
Yeah. I don't mean to put you on the spot, but do you want to talk about and it's okay if you don't. Do you want to talk about your phone idea that you're broadcasting and trying to get a couple of folks?

@ncfrontiersman:
Oh, yeah. Yes. I would love to.

@NixFred:
Hit it, man. Let's hear what's your idea and what do you think?

@ncfrontiersman:
Okay. So number one, I hate software keyboards on phones. I love hardware keyboards.

@ncfrontiersman:
And it's been frustrating lately. I don't know.

@ncfrontiersman:
It's probably not even just iPhone. Maybe it's Android too, but it's like I'm typing, typos everywhere.

@ncfrontiersman:
I've got bigger fingers, so sometimes that's an issue. But I felt like with the tactile keyboard, you could almost not even look at it and you could feel where the keys were.

@ncfrontiersman:
And it's like I saw that this company, the Minimal company, has a phone that it's simple. It's got a hardware keyboard.

@ncfrontiersman:
It does what you need it to do and then kind of gets out of the way. I love that.

@ncfrontiersman:
And I'm like, "You know what? That's kind of like Omarchy in a way is you build a tool crafted to just what you need."

@ncfrontiersman:
And then if we could have that on the phone because computer is great. Laptops are great, desktop, all that.

@ncfrontiersman:
But we're not always tied some of us aren't always tied to our desk. We want to get out and do things or we don't have the opportunity to always sit at the desk and work on things.

@ncfrontiersman:
And it's like back to my iPhone again. And so my thought is, number one, it would be really cool because with this phone concept, just like we're building anything we can dream up on Omarchy, think about you've got your phone, you've got the GPS, the camera.

@ncfrontiersman:
It's all kind of compressed down in this device you can take anywhere with you. And there's so many use cases to where you could build these highly customized apps that you're basically like Star Trek.

@ncfrontiersman:
You've got your tripod right in your hand. And to be able to have the ability to build and optimize and customize without that Apple walled garden of waiting to get it approved in the app store and all that stuff.

@ncfrontiersman:
I just think it would be cool. And I'm surprised that I know that there's reasons why.

@ncfrontiersman:
Probably bureaucrats and red tape are involved somewhere into why you can't just install anything on a phone. But I just think that if we could find one of these companies that's willing to be a hardware company, first and foremost, and not so focused on owning the software side of it, then it could open it up and allow us to come in there.

@ncfrontiersman:
If they gave us the drivers we needed or access to the hardware we needed, we could build a really cool mobile OS in Omarchy. I believe we could do it.

@ncfrontiersman:
And so that's my thought. I would love to be able to do that.

@ncfrontiersman:
I know that one company has a new phone coming out in December. It's for pre-order.

@ncfrontiersman:
To me, something with a physical keyboard that is kind of a lower price point for a brand new mobile phone that is ARM-based because I don't think Apple will open up their devices ever.

@NixFred:
Not going to happen. Not going to happen. You'd have to give up a bunch of revenue to do that.

@ncfrontiersman:
Right. And so, yeah, I don't know. Or like the framework company that makes the computers, laptops, what if they made a phone?

@ncfrontiersman:
How cool would that be? So yeah, that's my hope.

@ncfrontiersman:
I mean, if it's not them, hopefully somebody else. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
So I'm just putting the call out there that I'm willing to do it. And with the kernel work I did recently on the Apple Studio Display and just seeing how these new models work, like Opus 5.5, unless there is some very locked-down security encryption issue on the hardware, I don't see how it could not be solved.

@ncfrontiersman:
So yeah.

@NixFred:
That's amazing, man. I support you. And if I can help you, I will.

@NixFred:
Hey, we do have a couple of speakers. And I just want to tell everybody that if you request to speak, we do see it.

@NixFred:
Please don't retract it. Just give us some time to get to each person.

@NixFred:
We want to let everybody speak. And what do you want to do next, man?

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Yeah. Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman:
So a couple of people have requested. Others want to put the call out there.

@ncfrontiersman:
If you're building something and you're kind of at that phase where you're past the, "This is awesome," and you're at the, "Oh, crap. What do I do now?"

@ncfrontiersman:
I'd love to talk. I'd love to hear where you're at.

@ncfrontiersman:
And as a group, we can kind of chat through it. So raise your hand for that.

@ncfrontiersman:
I'll go ahead and we've got a couple of people lined up. We'll get them through.

@ncfrontiersman:
And then the rest of y'all start requesting and we'll try to get through you. Sound good?

@NixFred:
Yeah. And let's just remember to be focused on the topic so as many people can speak as possible. So do you want me to approve them and you speak to them, or do you want to just do both of us do it together?

@NixFred:
How do you want to do that?

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Let's kind of tag team because I am sort of losing my voice today.

@NixFred:
All right. Well, I've got the request speakers up. I'll start lining them up and you knock them down.

@NixFred:
And I think the first one was Shapeek. So let's see what that person has to say.

@ncfrontiersman:
Sounds good, Shapeek.

@NixFred:
Now we're running into that problem again where it doesn't promote them. This is every week.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. It seems to take a little bit. We'll go ahead and approve DevSec and Neil.

@ncfrontiersman:
See if any of those pop in.

@NixFred:
There we go.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right. DevSec, what's going on?

@devsec_ai:
What's up, guys? Good to be here.

@NixFred:
Hey, man. Thanks for coming by.

@devsec_ai:
Hey. Thanks for doing it. Appreciate it.

@devsec_ai:
So a few things, right? Just wanted to echo a couple of the stuff that you guys mentioned here, which is very true.

@devsec_ai:
So as you guys saw, even my app, Uber Notebook, which was a it's a massive application, I think close to like 50,000 likes, I believe. And yes, I do agree with the sentiment that with the entire sentiment of at one point, you're going to come to a roadblock where you're going to say, "Okay, how do I maintain this?

@devsec_ai:
Or how am I going to pass that security review when I send it to the marketplace?" And etc.

@devsec_ai:
Right? And just a couple of tips to the community as we're as things go from my experience in cybersecurity as well is that the way you approach it is my recommendation is let's say you've already submitted a few apps and you already know what the maintainer is looking for.

@devsec_ai:
Have your agent go and look at every single comment made raised as an issue and have it build a skill for you based on those issues that it commented before because it looks like whatever app you're building or the way you were instructing your agent, that agent is basically following basically your prompt. So essentially what that means is that you probably have common patterns that can be resolved by a skill, right?

@devsec_ai:
So that's one thing that you can do. The second thing is, yes, after a while, it's going to become a chore.

@devsec_ai:
And that chore is code review, making sure that all those bugs and security vulnerabilities are out of the way. And the only way to do that is, unfortunately, it's going to take a time.

@devsec_ai:
But I always say, look at it on the bright side because this kind of work used to take months to do, right? It used to be a physical peer review among people.

@devsec_ai:
So now you have maybe five hours in ultra code while you're sleeping to come up with the majority of the stuff. And then some of the stuff, maybe you look in the code and you find the issues and you fix it.

@devsec_ai:
But just look at the bright side. What used to take months is now taking days and weeks.

@devsec_ai:
So yeah, yes, it's frustrating in the sense that sometimes you just want that product out there. But it's also important to make note of the fact that if that goes out and you have bugs or you have UI/UX issues that are not actually meaningful to people, what is going to happen is they're going to toss it aside, right?

@devsec_ai:
And then good and then getting them back on to use it again, it is going to be that much more difficult. So as painful as it is, but I do want to echo one more sentiment.

@devsec_ai:
I don't want to take the entire I don't want to suck the air out here. But I just wanted one more thing to mention here is that one of the biggest things I think we, as we build, have to take account for is the maintainability.

@devsec_ai:
And the reason I say that is because we have people are building all the time. And I've came up with this term, and I don't know if I'm the original one or somebody else probably did as well.

@devsec_ai:
Nothing is original anymore in the days of AI, is the disposable apps mentality where a lot of apps are getting built so fast and then they just get they just get forgotten about it, right? So what that's going to do is it is going to open an enormous it's going to create an enormous waste and security vulnerability.

@devsec_ai:
So as you're building, like you guys mentioned, build something meaningful, build something that you want to maintain because at one point, it's going to come down to the fact that if you don't maintain it, then what happens? And I'm sure that Omarchi's maintainers will eventually come up with a way to if you haven't maintained your app for a period of time, they'll probably delist you, which is the right thing to do.

@devsec_ai:
But I think in general, keep in mind what you're building. If it is only for you, it's one thing.

@devsec_ai:
But if it's for a large audience, I think that maintainability is going to be important.

@NixFred:
Well, so true. Man, so many good points in that. I mean, I'm thinking about it.

@NixFred:
When we build a product, yeah, it's cool. And yes, it's something that we've conquered or whatever.

@NixFred:
But it's like with great what is it? With great success comes great responsibility.

@NixFred:
With great power comes great responsibility. You have the responsibility now to make sure that you're not causing issues for people using it and making their lives worse, right?

@NixFred:
Building these apps are great, but if you all of a sudden put something out there with a vulnerability in it and it wipes their computer, that's not good. I mean, there's liability issues there for sure, but I mean, also, it's just kind of not cool.

@NixFred:
So it's something we definitely should keep at the top of our mind as we're building. And it's not like you said, it just takes hours now to do these deep reviews.

@NixFred:
It's not like it used to be. But it is something you still need to at least keep at the top of your mind.

@NixFred:
And maintainability is another great point. It's easy to generate code.

@NixFred:
It's hard to go back and make surgical changes to that code and not break other things, right? So we have to keep that in mind.

@NixFred:
And there's some people that say, "Well, what if tokens become so expensive and then we have to go back to writing by hand? How would you handle it?"

@NixFred:
I don't think that's going to happen, but you almost should kind of think about it like, "What if one day I had to deal with this by hand? Would I be able to make a fix?"

@NixFred:
And if not, then maybe that's one of two things. Maybe you need to do some learning.

@NixFred:
Use these AI tools to teach yourself the language that it's writing in and ways you can understand. And also just kind of prompt it and say, "Hey, keep this code maintainable, clean.

@NixFred:
Just provide the smallest possible implementation of this that is functional." And so these are good things to think about.

@NixFred:
All right. Looks like Fred dropped out for a second, but.

@devsec_ai:
No, I'm here. I'm here.

@NixFred:
Oh, you're here. Okay, cool. You're back.

@NixFred:
Very good. So it looks like Neil is up next.

@neil404:
Hey, everybody. Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.

@NixFred:
Yeah. Thanks for coming.

@neil404:
So I'm probably doing everything wrong because it's only this year that I found out how good AI is. And I was never a software programmer before, but it's unlocked so much for me in terms of what I've been able to build, even just for personal or just for work. I kind of work in a public sector.

@neil404:
So it's like criminal defense, public defenders, that kind of stuff. And I'm building a product called Exculpta, and it's for exculpatory.

@neil404:
But it's basically to where small teams that are broke, publicly funded, can put their entire case into it and kind of have their discovery analyzed by local AI, have their questions answered, any media is automatically transcribed, indexed, just to make things more efficient for people.

@ncfrontiersman:
Oh, wow. I love that.

@neil404:
But it's super tough.

@NixFred:
I've heard of several I've heard of several court cases where they put in a briefing and the opposing counsel asked them about their citations and they're all completely made up. Have you heard about that happening?

@neil404:
I have. And that's why my what I'm trying to do isn't to do anything with legal writing. So it's like imagine you were handed a case file with 30 body cams and here's all this evidence and statements and transcripts.

@neil404:
And how do you make sense of that when you have 70 cases already and best represent your client without missing something, right? And it's not like you have a staff of 100 people to go through everything.

@neil404:
So you almost want to use your own local AI if you can or Frontier if you're available, although a lot of this stuff's confidential. So that's not really an option.

@neil404:
It's just a way to be like, "How can we make our paralegals and investigators 1,000 times more effective?" One of the things I'm hoping to do that's just now starting to work is you drop in all your discovery.

@neil404:
It automatically finds the people's places, things, and events. So that way, it can build a chronology.

@neil404:
Or here's all your cast of characters. Here's when things happen.

@neil404:
Link it to the original source.

@NixFred:
Yep. That is so cool. Yeah.

@NixFred:
What's coming to mind as you're saying this is we're talking about deterministic versus non-deterministics. And when you build with these AI models, right, how do you get something close to deterministic, meaning a predictable outcome when you're working with something that isn't always predictable?

@NixFred:
And writing these I don't know. I assume you're building a system prompt or skills or something to work through this information.

@NixFred:
You want to tell us a little bit about that?

@neil404:
So for the most part, it's just like a workbench. So imagine you have a Linux server with whatever GPUs you can find and you install this and it hosts itself in Docker. And then it basically just accepts whatever documents, OCRs them, indexes them, whatever media it transcribes, diarizes, saves all that into SQLite databases and vectors and then graph where people place things.

@neil404:
And then you pick your own models in the background. And then you can ask it questions like, "Okay, when did such and such happen?

@neil404:
I'm looking for this." And it searches it and re-ranks and then brings you just cited sources back.

@neil404:
And that's kind of where I'm at right now. The toughest part of this for me is I'm the only one building this.

@neil404:
I'm not aware of any other utilities, which is why I'm building it, because you have all these companies that want to charge public service people, I mean, hundreds of thousands of dollars that nobody has money for. And I'm sure rich criminal lawyers have these utilities available.

@neil404:
But I wanted to be one of the only ones that can why not try to do it for free and just put it out there for everybody?

@NixFred:
I love it. I love it. That's awesome, man.

@NixFred:
Well, thanks for sharing. Yeah, share the link to it.

@NixFred:
I don't know if anybody's figured out how to get the chat on, but.

@NixFred:
Yeah, his name is Neil of his name is Neil of Neils on GitHub. I just retweeted the it's called workbench-osss. I believe that's correct.

@neil404:
So I had to change his name because I just found out this week that there's a company in Portland that has the same record bench. So now it's exclpata.com. And that takes you right to the repo that changed now.

@NixFred:
I just retweeted it and I just followed you. So go check it out, everybody.

@neil404:
Thanks, guys.

@NixFred:
Yeah.

@NixFred:
You bet.

@ncfrontiersman:
Thanks for speaking, Neil.

@NixFred:
Good to hear from you.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yep. All right. Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman:
I think Lee's up.

@NixFred:
My man Lee. What's up, brother?

@NotJustShaking:
Hey, guys. Hope everyone's well. This is really not anything that I built or going to be building.

@NotJustShaking:
It was just a suggestion to whereas you and Fred and maybe the whole group, one of you guys had ever thought about setting up a Slack for this group. So meetings would go better.

@NotJustShaking:
The ability to share people's work would be better. You could set up groups where people could work on their particular plugins and tools that they're building.

@NotJustShaking:
Whole host of stuff. I'm not going to spend too long on this, but I guess the thing would be cost.

@NotJustShaking:
So my thoughts are, I wonder if Omicom could help with the cost, at least initially for a couple of months, see if it works. If it doesn't, we just throw it away.

@NotJustShaking:
Or worst case scenario, people chip in every month or whatever. Just a suggestion.

@NotJustShaking:
That's all.

@ncfrontiersman:
You know what? I mean, I think Fred and I talked about this before. I wanted some way for us to continue this conversation after the Sunday chats throughout the week.

@ncfrontiersman:
And I really like that idea. I personally like Slack better than Discord.

@ncfrontiersman:
Discord's a little crazy for me, but other people like Discord. But I would go to Slack.

@ncfrontiersman:
But we'll think about it and we'll report back for next week and let y'all know. I mean, does anybody else have interest in joining or creating a community like that where we can chat kind of throughout the week and work on stuff together?

@NixFred:
Yeah, we talked about Discord. And I have tried to love Discord, and I just can't get there. Maybe it's the Gen X in me, but it's just too much.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. I know. I'm with you.

@ncfrontiersman:
I'm the same way. I mean, Slack might even have a free version.

@ncfrontiersman:
So we can look at it and get something going because I do think I think that's how this community grows more is because we only get, what, an hour, hour and a half, and there's so much more conversation to be had, so.

@NixFred:
Yeah. And I feel like we leave people hanging sometimes because we just run out of time, and I feel terrible about that.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you bringing that up, Lee.

@ncfrontiersman:
We'll get some movement going on that. Thank you.

@ncfrontiersman:
Called to construct. What's happening, man?

@ncfrontiersman:
Are your grandkids still playing video games? They started writing their own?

@calledtocnstrct:
Well, actually, yeah, to an extent, I'll speak a little bit more on that. Another couple of quick thoughts I had, though, in response to the Slack channel. Of course, an X chat might help there as well.

@NixFred:
That's a good idea.

@calledtocnstrct:
The other thing was Neil was just talking about the platform that he's building. And I just found it fascinating because for the company I work for, I just built, and we're just releasing this last week, we just released publicly a medical document system that does something very similar, looks at a person's medical charts, and that allows you to search and explore. So I thought that was just fascinating, Neil, that you're working on that.

@NixFred:
You know what, man? You guys should use a cheat code. Follow each other, create a chat, and you don't have to merge your code, but maybe you could help each other cherry-pick the things that work for you.

@NixFred:
I do that all the time. You don't have to accept all their software.

@NixFred:
Just cherry-pick the stuff that you need.

@calledtocnstrct:
Exactly. Yeah. And I'm excited to do that after this Builders Club.

@calledtocnstrct:
As far as the thing that I worked on this last week was actually something that and I just want to make sure that my voice is coming through clear. I'm not getting in the.

@NixFred:
You sound great. You sound great.

@calledtocnstrct:
Okay. Great.

@ncfrontiersman:
I can hear you. Yep.

@calledtocnstrct:
So back in February, when I realized that AI had reached a point where I could actually just build something from a prompt without having to dig too much into the technology of it, I started working on little games for the grandkids. And one of the things that I really wanted to be able to do was to be able to build games that supported eye-tracking devices because I have a grandson who has cerebral palsy. And he's non-verbal, and his motor control doesn't give him the ability

@calledtocnstrct:
to use joysticks or things like that. So eye-tracking is a way to communicate with the world.

@calledtocnstrct:
Between that and slight facial expressions or gestures. And so eye-tracking is huge in his world.

@calledtocnstrct:
And what I found was that not only could I not get the AI to be able to interface with the eye-tracking device, I wasn't able to even purchase access to an SDK, which amazed me. I reached out to several people, and I was devastated.

@calledtocnstrct:
So that was back in February. Amazing how things have changed in just a few short months.

@calledtocnstrct:
And so the other day, I sat down on my deck in the nice, cool evening air, and I plugged in an eye-tracking device, and I asked the AI to build a driver or whatever was needed to interface with it. And 30 minutes later, it was working.

@ncfrontiersman:
Wow. Wow.

@calledtocnstrct:
So if I said, "What I'm building, it's nothing spectacular." I mean, it's nothing major. It's very small, but just a way to talk to the eye tracker that I have.

@calledtocnstrct:
What I'm hoping to do soon is to start buying each of the versions of different eye-tracking devices that are publicly accessible because a lot of them are behind walled gardens from the medical industry. But anything that I can buy from a commercial standpoint and then enhance that interface to make that happen.

@calledtocnstrct:
And amazingly, it also built a WebSocket interface. So now I can even just build an HTML web page that hooks into that WebSocket and then can see where the eye is looking.

@calledtocnstrct:
And so I've now built three little games for the grandkids that can play them, but also for using the eye-tracking. They're all compatible with eye-tracking.

@calledtocnstrct:
And so it's just been amazing to be able to play around and kind of experience the world from his point of view, from my grandson's point of view. It's not as easy as it might sound to just look at something and activate it.

@calledtocnstrct:
And so anyway, but that's one of the things I've been building. I try not to multitask too much because, like was said earlier, like jack of all trades.

@calledtocnstrct:
But there's work I'm doing to try to move risk and vulnerability, visibility, risk and vulnerability support in the package repository and be able to bring Omarchi to corporations and things like that. And I've been working with someone to prepare the documentation needed to bring Omarchi to Military or Gov as well.

@calledtocnstrct:
And those are all things that I'm time-slicing and making progress on as well as other projects. But this new ability to use the eye-tracking has just blown my mind.

@calledtocnstrct:
And I'm so happy that it's just been crazy to think of. And that has opened my mind to a whole new set of possibilities that I can't even go into.

@calledtocnstrct:
It's just like too big, too crazy to even think about right now. But I've been building some documentation around that concept.

@calledtocnstrct:
And so anyway.

@NixFred:
I just DM'd you a repo that's got 50,000 likes. It's by a user of M-O-R-L-U-T-O on GitHub. And it's called Reverse Engineer Anything.

@NixFred:
And it's a playbook to help you reverse engineer stuff. And I think that might help you out.

@NixFred:
And I've also sent you an eye-tracking software that I kind of put together. It's a piece of crap, but maybe you can find some little cherry-picking nuggets to use.

@calledtocnstrct:
Oh, that is beautiful. Thank you so much.

@NixFred:
Yeah, man. Keep up the good work, man. It's amazing.

@calledtocnstrct:
Thanks.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. I love that. Wonderful.

@ncfrontiersman:
Well, it's good to have you. I hope you have a great rest of your Sunday and a good week coming up, man.

@NixFred:
Yeah, reach out to me and Wes either way. I think we both follow you and we care about you and we want to help, man.

@ncfrontiersman:
That's right. All right, studio. I think you're up.

@StudioXRadio:
All right, guys.

@NixFred:
Hey, Wes, you're going to freaking I hope you guys know each other because you're both on the M team.

@StudioXRadio:
I think we know that. What's up, everyone?

@NixFred:
Well, I'll just be in the corner if you guys need me.

@StudioXRadio:
This is great. And somebody said they don't like Discord because they're Gen X. It took me I'm Gen X.

@StudioXRadio:
I'm about four years in, and I'm just starting to like it. So don't give up.

@StudioXRadio:
I think you could like it. I think you could get there.

@StudioXRadio:
Hi, everyone. I'm Studio X Radio, AKA KB2UKA, AKA Doug Serrato.

@StudioXRadio:
I have a lot of aliases out there. Real quick, let me just give you my dev background, which is nothing, okay?

@StudioXRadio:
I own a financial advisory firm. In March, April of this year, I started teaching myself how to use LLMs and prompting AI.

@StudioXRadio:
I've always been a glorified dork, and I'm an amateur radio operator, actually. It's been a hobby of mine since I was 12 years old.

@StudioXRadio:
And what got me interested in working with AI, there was no Linux or Mac software-defined radio software that was really readily available. So a buddy and I got together and we created one, which now is the most popular amateur radio software since April.

@StudioXRadio:
We have 1,200 users, which is actually big in this niche, and it's really taking off. So I learned how to use AI in what I believe is a difficult way because the software we were building was talking to hardware and complicated hardware, transmitting thousands of watts of power, front end, back end.

@StudioXRadio:
And I think that helped me with this M4 project, okay? Now, selfishly, I have a bunch of Mac equipment around here.

@StudioXRadio:
Like right now, my daily driver is Omarchi on an i9, a 2020 iMac. And I have an M4 Pro, which I'm not working on yet.

@StudioXRadio:
That's next. Mac Mini, which I want to turn into the daily driver, but I figured, let me start with the M4.

@StudioXRadio:
So right now in my hand, I believe I'm holding the first USB installer for Omarchi M4 Mac. It just finished completing.

@NixFred:
Oh my gosh. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

@ncfrontiersman:
You're here first.

@StudioXRadio:
All right. Literally, I have not installed it yet. I have it installed on my air, but that was the dev version, okay?

@StudioXRadio:
This will be the release. I'm going to test it when this space is over.

@StudioXRadio:
So here's where I am. Omarchi now boots natively from the internal SSD on the M4 MacBook Air.

@StudioXRadio:
The GPU desktop, trackpad, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth mouse, speaker, audio codec, they're all working. I have USB working on one port.

@StudioXRadio:
And I'm probably going to release anyway because that'll be a quick fix. This is going to be a big work in progress.

@StudioXRadio:
But the port nearest to the hinge of the monitor, that one's live. This is the big one.

@StudioXRadio:
I have actual hardware video decoding. It's supported for H.264 and VP9.

@StudioXRadio:
Any unsupported formats or protected content will roll back to CPU rendering. But that's clean as well right now.

@StudioXRadio:
And from my research, Mac actually does that, but they have more supported hardware profiles than this has yet, but it will have more. What else?

@StudioXRadio:
This builds on Omarchi, Ashi, and Gravity Linux. I was adapting, integrating, debugging, and packaging that stack specifically for the M4 Air.

@StudioXRadio:
And like I said, the first private installer is ready. It's in my hand.

@StudioXRadio:
And when this ends, I'm going to go through I'm going to wipe my dev build off the Mac Air. I'm going to reload.

@StudioXRadio:
I'm going to launch macOS. I'm going to pop this bad boy in.

@StudioXRadio:
And I'm going to run through the tests as any of you would. And somebody earlier also mentioned that we don't want to do releases till we know things won't break anything.

@StudioXRadio:
So this is an experiment, and I agree with that. This is an experimental release.

@StudioXRadio:
And when I open up the repo, I'm going to put a very big disclaimer that if you're a daily Mac user and you're not into deving and prompting AI and all of that, I'm not going to recommend they download it yet. But the community's been asking for it.

@StudioXRadio:
It does work. So I'm going to release it into the wild, hopefully in the next couple of hours.

@ncfrontiersman:
That's amazing, man. Great job.

@NixFred:
You talk about you're a new guy, but man, the things that you're talking about and dropping are you're not new. That's ridiculous.

@StudioXRadio:
Well, in the world of AI, we're getting new LLMs every two weeks. So I guess you're right. I'm not new.

@NixFred:
In that case, we're all new, man. And I truly believe that we this is like we're not even 10% done. I think that we still will look back at this time with AI and laugh about how.

@StudioXRadio:
Inferior.

@NixFred:
Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. No kidding.

@StudioXRadio:
I agree. It's a load of fun. Like I said, this was something I was always interested in.

@StudioXRadio:
I sat down multiple times in the last 35 years. I'm 46 years old with coding books and teaching myself to code.

@StudioXRadio:
And then babies came and the wife came and business came, and I just never brought myself to get proficient in it. And like I tell a lot of people, when the chainsaw was invented, I didn't see too many lumberjacks swinging an axe anymore, right?

@StudioXRadio:
So I'm loving it. And I'm very happy to be here.

@StudioXRadio:
So thanks for asking me to speak.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah, yeah. Great to have you. Thanks for all you're doing.

@ncfrontiersman:
Can't wait to see it when you get it released, man. So wonderful.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right. Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman:
I think Mastermind. Is that right?

@NixFred:
Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
That's the reminder?

@NixFred:
What's up, man?

@MasterMynd2004:
Hey, what's going on, everyone? How's everyone's Sunday?

@NixFred:
It's doing great, man.

@MasterMynd2004:
Yeah. This is fun to bring up. I have what I I stumbled onto a fun project, a side project.

@MasterMynd2004:
I do have other projects, but those are with partners and stuff. But this is a fun side project.

@MasterMynd2004:
And a bit of background. I was helping out a friend.

@MasterMynd2004:
I have a friend who's a chef. And he has a restaurant, but a large part of his business is catering.

@MasterMynd2004:
So he was having kind of problems with staffing about a year and a half ago. And I said, you know what?

@MasterMynd2004:
On catering, just forward just use my number and forward all the calls to me. I'll help you out for a few weeks.

@MasterMynd2004:
Because I'm thinking, what's the big deal? It's just catering, right?

@MasterMynd2004:
People call and you just take their stuff, what they want or their order, and then you just kind of move from there. And I learned very quickly it was a bit more than that.

@MasterMynd2004:
As a matter of fact, it kind of sucked. I mean, quoting and invoicing and all that stuff.

@MasterMynd2004:
So what I did was I embarked on a fun side project to replace myself.

@NixFred:
Wow.

@MasterMynd2004:
So I built a platform that does all of the admin for catering, except for one step. And that one step is just approving the quote. Intake, responding to customer questions, providing the digital menu, creating a quote, sending invoice, booking through calendar, all of it done.

@MasterMynd2004:
This is all automated. So I did this for my friend.

@MasterMynd2004:
Here's the issue. Not only has he been telling because and also, I have another feature in there called Zara, which he can change all of his configurations, like his taxes.

@MasterMynd2004:
If he wanted to change menu items and prices, all that, he can do that through he does that through WhatsApp.

@NixFred:
Wow.

@MasterMynd2004:
Like he just Zara asked him when he first onboarded, Zara will say, "Hey, I'm Zara. These are the things that you can change. If you want to change these things or amend anything, just let me know.

@MasterMynd2004:
Just message me like you would anyone else." And so if he wants to change his deposit amount from 50% for the first invoice and then 50% for a second invoice, if he wants to change that to 40/60, all he has to do is just message Zara.

@MasterMynd2004:
Zara will go make the change and it will update the system and the invoices will go out as scheduled with the right amount. So right now, I think he can do six or seven configuration changes.

@MasterMynd2004:
And he can do that through either or maybe you can do it through Telegram, WhatsApp, email, or SMS.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. I mean, I think.

@MasterMynd2004:
So here's the.

@ncfrontiersman:
Okay, go ahead. Yeah, I was just going to say, I think the future of user interfaces, some of it might be just natural language communication, which is why we're in that world.

@MasterMynd2004:
Yeah. It's why we're in that world. And the reason I did this is because people that are in the food business are very busy.

@MasterMynd2004:
So I didn't want to make another platform, another app, or anything like that. I just wanted them to use the tools that they use every day naturally.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah.

@MasterMynd2004:
So that's why I did that. Here's the problem. I did this for him.

@MasterMynd2004:
It worked great. It was a very fun project.

@MasterMynd2004:
Everything is cool. He started mentioning it, and I just kind of mention it to people every now and then.

@MasterMynd2004:
Now I have a few more restaurants that would like to come on like a 30-day trial or something or would like to try it. But I need to productize it.

@MasterMynd2004:
This is where I'm running into I don't have the time I have a website, which I will never show anyone because it's horrible. But I have everything up and running.

@MasterMynd2004:
I have that running. I have another feature where it's kind of like a dashboard, but it's a bit more simple, but it's mobile-first.

@MasterMynd2004:
So you can only get it on your mobile phone. It will come to you.

@MasterMynd2004:
So the thing is, I'm stuck because the way I built it for him, it won't really scale past probably about I wouldn't do 40, 30 customers on it, anything more than that. It's not going to scale.

@NixFred:
So you're already on the right track. The main thing I believe that you're doing correctly is showing value first. You got that down.

@NixFred:
The next thing you're doing right is not adding another avenue or communication method that they have to yet again, no check. You're meeting your customers where they are.

@NixFred:
And let me tell you, Masterminder, the best problem you can possibly have is trying to figure out how to scale 45 customers.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah.

@MasterMynd2004:
The question is, what do I because at that point, then I got to put some real money into it to say, stand it up in AWS or something. But I think the question I have to the room is how to move forward. I have to now productize this thing.

@MasterMynd2004:
That's me. I got to think about marketing.

@MasterMynd2004:
I got to think about all this stuff. And it's like, ah.

@ncfrontiersman:
Well, I mean, you can only think about one thing at a time. And to me, it sounds like I mean, marketing's already handled at this point, it seems like, because you've already got customers lining up and word of mouth.

@MasterMynd2004:
Yeah. I mean, not that many. I don't have that many, but I have a lot of interest.

@MasterMynd2004:
And I'm enjoying the conversations. But I'm just wondering what to do from here now.

@MasterMynd2004:
Do I just serve these few and then just kind of leave it there? Should I.

@NixFred:
That's exactly right. Don't spend a penny on marketing. Keep servicing your customers.

@NixFred:
And marketing is paying for the next customer. You've already got your next customer.

@NixFred:
Focus on that.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I would say, so word of mouth, they start using it, they start loving it, they're going to tell their friends, and then the friends are going to tell their friends.

@ncfrontiersman:
And you don't want to have more customers than you can handle either because that's a nightmare too. So let it happen organically.

@ncfrontiersman:
And also, I'd be happy to have a chat with you about productizing it and thinking about there's ways with AI. You can say, "Hey, I built this thing over here.

@ncfrontiersman:
Deconstruct the behavior from it and the specifications. And then let's make these adjustments and build a new productized version of it."

@ncfrontiersman:
So almost treat it like a prototype and say, "Now knowing that it's solving a real problem, let's build the real thing that can handle multiple," like what they call multi-tenant situation, right? And then go from there.

@ncfrontiersman:
And actually, they've gotten really good at that. If you point agents at something that's already built, you're just doing refactoring.

@ncfrontiersman:
That goes pretty well. So happy to chat with you.

@ncfrontiersman:
If you want to send me and Fred a message, we can.

@NixFred:
Yeah. And Wes can help you with the marketing. He's an expert at that.

@NixFred:
And my career in technology has been scaling to millions of users. So I'll be happy to help you get there.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah.

@MasterMynd2004:
I don't know about listen. Listen, if I can get based on the pricing that I've already kind of have in my head, listen, if I can get to 100 users, I might just sell it and keep it moving. I mean, think about it.

@MasterMynd2004:
I mean.

@NixFred:
I'll come work for you, man. Send me up.

@MasterMynd2004:
You know, it's one of these things that you try to make a determination based on the time you have and the amount of investment you really want to put into it because I have other things that I'm also doing. But it was a fun project because I was doing it for a friend, right? And I just find it interesting that other people are interested in it.

@MasterMynd2004:
But at the same time, I have to be realistic and say, "Okay, do I go for it? Do I just service a few customers and then that's it?

@MasterMynd2004:
What do you do from there?"

@ncfrontiersman:
I mean.

@MasterMynd2004:
Now you're going to need some help. Right now, I have right now, I have everything is automated. I've automated so if anything goes wrong with the system, I get over to Telegram.

@MasterMynd2004:
I get the message. Here's what's wrong.

@MasterMynd2004:
Here's a suggested fix, blah, blah. So I have that going.

@MasterMynd2004:
But I don't know. I'll contact you guys.

@MasterMynd2004:
Really great space.

@MasterMynd2004:
Hopefully, we'll have a conversation about it. But it's really inspiring to hear other people building things and doing stuff.

@ncfrontiersman:
You're building for the restaurant industry. I was just talking about this in a tweet earlier about how I think the future of software is not building software for other developers. There was a whole phase of that where all of these were built.

@ncfrontiersman:
And I'm like, "No, it's for the small businesses. It's for the freelancers and the one-man show that are going on."

@ncfrontiersman:
To me, that's where I see a lot of interesting things happening, so.

@MasterMynd2004:
Yeah. And the whole messaging thing is interesting too because now we have to think with me being older, I'm thinking like, "Okay, maybe people are going to go towards voice." Interestingly enough, they don't want to go towards voice yet.

@MasterMynd2004:
They don't want to do voice. They want to do messaging.

@MasterMynd2004:
That's what they're used to.

@ncfrontiersman:
Oh, I see.

@MasterMynd2004:
That's what they're comfortable with. That's it, right? And so that's where I stopped.

@MasterMynd2004:
I'm like, "I'm not going to do voice for configuration changes yet or anything." People want and young people just want to message.

@MasterMynd2004:
They don't want to talk.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. I don't get it either, bro. I'm all about just getting on the phone, but it's all.

@MasterMynd2004:
Yeah. That's how it is. And then people just want to do they want to message and then have things happen, right?

@MasterMynd2004:
They want to message. So even if and I think people who do websites, designers for websites, when people want to change their hours of operation, a lot of times they have to call their designer to have them change it.

@MasterMynd2004:
Why not just have them just do the integrations and just have people so they can message and change their hours of operation, address, phone number, blah, blah, blah, without having to fool with a designer, a website designer to make minor changes.

@NixFred:
Yeah. And you mentioned something important about your time. AI has made it where your most critical resource is your time because like my grandfather used to say, "We can do anything we want.

@NixFred:
We just can't do it all."

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. So true. So true.

@ncfrontiersman:
Well, thanks for speaking up and looking forward to talking to you a little bit later. Hope you have a great week.

@ncfrontiersman:
Fred, you got the next one?

@NixFred:
Yeah. My man, Heath, what's up, brother?

@NixFred:
Heath?

@MuchmoreIT:
Sorry. Sorry. I had myself double-muted.

@NixFred:
Yeah, brother. Hey, man. It's good to hear your voice.

@NixFred:
I want to just note here, disclaimer. I know Heath in real life, so just let everybody know that.

@NixFred:
Heath, I know what you're working on this week. It was pretty freaking huge.

@NixFred:
Are you able to talk about that in general terms?

@MuchmoreIT:
Which one?

@NixFred:
Well, I'm going to let you pick because I don't want to even hint at it. You're doing government, like high-level million GPU stuff.

@MuchmoreIT:
Yeah. So there's an interesting series of things. And I just want to say, I think I saw called the Construct out there.

@MuchmoreIT:
So me and him have been chatting on the back end a little bit to talk about the security aspect that I kind of revealed a while ago. And so in my world, in the federal world, we do these things or we have to use these things called STIGs, Security Template Implementation Guides.

@MuchmoreIT:
And basically, it's just how dumb can I make Windows or Unix or Linux or whatever it is? And it breaks everything pretty severely because you're tapping the brakes pretty heavily in a security realm.

@MuchmoreIT:
And so then ports stop working and all kinds of things. So some of that's been kind of going on.

@MuchmoreIT:
I've been having Claude help me out in that realm. And then so on the bigger pieces, there's some interesting things happening because Wes and I kind of share an interest in weather.

@MuchmoreIT:
And so I work with NOAA pretty regularly in my current job on the supercomputers that they use to produce the hurricane models. And so living in Florida most of my life, but I created my own model mechanism.

@MuchmoreIT:
And so if you've seen me posting this week, I was showing my tracker. And part of what I do from a scientific perspective is find out how accurate each of the models are because we all love watching spaghetti models on the weather channel, but what does it really mean?

@MuchmoreIT:
And so that's where some of my research is going. And then in regards to the, I'll call it the panic in the public around the federal government having a lot of AI, we have a lot more than you could possibly dream about.

@MuchmoreIT:
So worrying about what they're going to have, I would say it's too late just due to the size. And then so my super big project right now is I know everybody's probably a big NVIDIA fan, but I'm a former AMDer.

@MuchmoreIT:
So AMD has a new system coming out called Helios. And it's going to be super competitive on par, basically, with anything that NVIDIA can throw at it.

@MuchmoreIT:
But just to kind of give you an example of the problems that I have to solve is working in the power realms. So it's roughly 235 kilowatts per rack.

@MuchmoreIT:
Now, you might say, "What does that have to do with Omarchy Linux?" So that goes back to that STIGging thing, right, is that we need to speed up development inside of all of our federal environments and running a standard Ubuntu-style Linux that's bloated with all the stuff.

@MuchmoreIT:
That slows a lot of my people down. And so this customer in particular, they're talking about buying 12 of these racks, 235 kilowatts a rack.

@MuchmoreIT:
And that's going to be their new AI system that they're bringing online. So part of this is just trying to weave a bunch of things together.

@MuchmoreIT:
And then all that, if anybody's interested in understanding, I think I can't remember which one of you guys made the game, Wes. Was that you that made the old school?

@NixFred:
I think that's Chris.

@MuchmoreIT:
Or Chris. Yeah, yeah. So I'm a former F-117A guy.

@MuchmoreIT:
So if anybody remembers the old flight sim game, so that's the other one of my projects. I'm making an Omarchi desktop of MicroPose's version.

@NixFred:
But hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Tell them why you know about the 117.

@MuchmoreIT:
Oh, well, because I was avionics on the 117.

@ncfrontiersman:
We got to talk, Heath. You're in weather, you're in avionics. This is all my favorite things.

@MuchmoreIT:
Yeah. No, I mean, you have been on my list to get some time with. I'm glad October's here because it's finally, I'll call it an airport slow time for me.

@MuchmoreIT:
But it's one of those things. Yeah.

@MuchmoreIT:
So MicroPose got a lot wrong in the game back in the day. So what I'm kind of basically doing is I'm going to create an Omarchi desktop connector game kind of thing.

@MuchmoreIT:
And so it's in the works. I've got the rudimentary framework kind of ready.

@MuchmoreIT:
Now I'm getting a lot of the underlying code written. So I'm trying to make it a little more realistic.

@MuchmoreIT:
And so so far, so good. I don't have anything quite ready to reveal yet because the demo crashes quite a bit.

@MuchmoreIT:
But so that's kind of where I'm at in my world, so.

@NixFred:
That's amazing, Wes. Heath, appreciate that. And you're always welcome to drop by here.

@NixFred:
Folks, if you don't follow Heath, do yourself a favor. The guy's working on ridiculous huge scale.

@NixFred:
I say I know how to scale stuff. Heath scales me.

@MuchmoreIT:
I don't know about that, brother. Man, I appreciate the kind words, man. We're all we all make stuff fit together, and I can't do stuff without you guys.

@MuchmoreIT:
And it's all a big fun global team, so.

@NixFred:
Wonderful. Awesome. I'll chat with you Monday.

@NixFred:
I want to hear more about what you can talk about later.

@MuchmoreIT:
Yeah. So I finally got clearance from my company's legal about all my patents. So I can finally unshelve those and let you have a peek behind the scenes on that.

@MuchmoreIT:
So if anybody has quantum encryption interests, you'd be interested in this. So I might be able to start opening up on that one, so.

@NixFred:
Wow. Amazing stuff. I don't know how you do it, brother.

@NixFred:
Well, hey, thanks for coming by, man. And we'll talk to you this week.

@NixFred:
And please join us every Sunday and regale us so we can dream about the big stuff.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yep. Wonderful. Okay.

@ncfrontiersman:
So it looks like we got James. And I was curious if Catherine had an update on the newsletter.

@ncfrontiersman:
I don't know. But if you want to request to speak.

@ncfrontiersman:
If not, that's okay too. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
But James, what's going on?

@NixFred:
Hey, James, you might want to unmute just so everybody knows James is in Singapore up at what is now, what, 4:30 in the morning. So thanks for coming by, James. Can't hear you, brother.

@NixFred:
Can't hear you. Keep trying, man.

@NixFred:
We want to hear what you got to say.

@JamesTervit:
Is that no?

@NixFred:
There you are.

@JamesTervit:
Man, I don't know what goes on with spaces. It changes my microphone. Every time I come in, it changes onto something else.

@NixFred:
Hey, lean into that thing just a little bit, buddy.

@JamesTervit:
How's that? Is that better?

@NixFred:
A little bit better.

@JamesTervit:
Man, I'm right up close to my microphone. I don't know what's going on. Let me just see if I can check it.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. You're good to me, James.

@NixFred:
Yeah. Keep running. Keep running.

@JamesTervit:
Yeah. It's okay?

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah.

@JamesTervit:
Okay. Cool. Yeah.

@JamesTervit:
Thanks, Wes. Thanks for pulling me up.

@JamesTervit:
And also thanks for Fred for highlighting that you guys were on a Sunday, which is my Monday morning time because Singapore is about 12 hours ahead of you guys. So it's quite hard to try and catch the stateside stuff running at this time, but glad to join in.

@JamesTervit:
I mean, there's so much stuff that you guys have spoke about in this stuff that is so relative to stuff that I've been doing in the past. And what brought me into Omarchi was Andrew Boyd's T1 bridge, right?

@JamesTervit:
Because I had a MacBook 2017, which was just basically collecting dust. And for the first time, I was able to actually get a Linux build, which went straight on there, and everything just worked.

@JamesTervit:
And I was like, "Oh, that's a bit different." That's what got me hooked on Omarchi.

@JamesTervit:
And then I started dabbling with putting my I've got a little animated character which goes on the desktop, and he interfaces via voice for agent type stuff. So I put that on the same day and I was like, "Well, this is different."

@JamesTervit:
I've been able to actually get all of this done in a single day. So that was a first.

@JamesTervit:
And so that's what got me hooked up with you guys. And Fred and I had a really good discussion yesterday.

@JamesTervit:
I think an hour and a half just went past in five minutes, it seems, because we had so much to talk about, so much in common, and so on. So Omarchi, for me, is a total game changer in terms of just getting things up and running fast.

@JamesTervit:
I don't know of any other distribution that's been able to do that. I've dabbled with a lot of them, like Linux, Mint, and the Arch flavors that's out there.

@JamesTervit:
I've dabbled in some of the security stuff. I know someone was talking about dev security.

@JamesTervit:
I've been working with NVIDIA Morpheus way back in as early as 2019 when I was messing with Matplotlib and DeepSeek and MassScan and various other parsing tools that allows you to visualize traffic and so on. So that got me into AI and whatnot.

@JamesTervit:
So the dev security side was really interesting. And then someone had to go and mention radio.

@JamesTervit:
So I've been into packet radio way back since the bulletin board days because we were trying to distribute as cheaply as possible a lot of data, right? So radio is definitely something that's right on my list because I've been messing with embedded systems and dealing with LoRaWAN and all this kind of modern type low-bandwidth type stuff, which is really, really interesting.

@JamesTervit:
And then someone mentioned about the eye tracking thing, which is beyond useful because I did head tracking back in 2015 because I couldn't actually run a game because there was too many controls and so on. So head tracking was something that I did from just a webcam.

@JamesTervit:
So the eye tracking thing is super useful. And I think it's a total game changer, especially when you're dealing with people with disabilities.

@JamesTervit:
And I think it really highlights the discussion that we had with Lee, Fred, about his angle in terms of bringing all the stuff that he's doing into Omarchi. And man, what a community.

@JamesTervit:
Unbelievable stuff. I mean, there's just so much to talk about.

@JamesTervit:
I don't even know where to end because I could basically hijack this whole thing for the next two weeks. But anyway, thanks, guys, for letting me on.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Yeah. We're not going anywhere.

@ncfrontiersman:
So you can come back next week and the week after and the week after. This feels like testimony hour almost.

@ncfrontiersman:
So this is good stuff. It's good to hear from you.

@ncfrontiersman:
Hopefully, you can get some rest soon.

@JamesTervit:
Yeah. Well, it's par for the course when you're in this industry, right? It's like sleep is like a second thing that you don't do anymore.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Yeah. You sleep when you're dead, right?

@JamesTervit:
100%. Yeah.

@NixFred:
Hey, James, thanks for coming by. And let's set up the next one-on-one Zoom. I feel like I only heard about a quarter of your story.

@JamesTervit:
Yeah. 100%, Fred. I don't know what's going on, but I think Wes could hear me.

@JamesTervit:
And everyone else can hear me okay. But yeah, this is spaces for you.

@JamesTervit:
This is buggy as hell. It always never ever goes smoothly.

@MuchmoreIT:
Yeah. This is Heath. I want to say hi to James real quick.

@MuchmoreIT:
James, I have another project that you and I should probably talk about. It's an Omarchi desktop for software-defined radio receivers.

@MuchmoreIT:
So yeah, you and I should probably chat about that.

@JamesTervit:
Yeah. Definitely. 100%.

@JamesTervit:
Actually, just something I didn't speak about, Wes, for me. I'm running an app called Omarchi at work, which when I first set up my laptop, I kind of thought, "I don't have enough monitor connections to connect another monitor."

@JamesTervit:
So I decided that I was going to build a virtual monitor into another browser on another connected LAN PC. And I got that running really great.

@JamesTervit:
So I'm going to launch that fairly soon. I think that will be kind of awesome.

@ncfrontiersman:
Cool. Omarchi Warp, you said?

@JamesTervit:
Yeah. And it just allows you to apply another screen to a browser on your LAN. And it works flawlessly because if you take your mouse, like you have a dual screen, and your mouse goes from the main monitor to your second attached monitor, it just fluidly goes across, which is great.

@JamesTervit:
So I've been using that. So it's kind of awesome.

@ncfrontiersman:
Very cool. Well, it's good to hear from you. We do have one speaker, special guest, coming up here shortly.

@ncfrontiersman:
But I just wanted to mention that Tim set up a group chat for us all on X. We'll try to get everybody added there.

@ncfrontiersman:
Just wanted to mention that's coming soon. I don't know if there's a way to share a link.

@ncfrontiersman:
We haven't been able to get the chat here, but we'll all get in that group chat, and then we can start there. And maybe Slack will come later if that doesn't work out.

@ncfrontiersman:
But yeah, just wanted to share that.

@NixFred:
I just retweeted the invitation. So jump in there. Thanks to Tim Sooner for doing that.

@NixFred:
And we'll get everybody added. And again, Wes, I'll hand it back to you.

@NixFred:
But please follow everybody here. I'm following people as quick as I can.

@NixFred:
We all have the same desires.

@NixFred:
We're all centered on Omarchi and helping other people. So you're not going to find a better list of people that care about Omarchi than right here.

@NixFred:
So follow everybody. And I'm getting to everybody as soon as I can.

@NixFred:
I'm getting rate limited.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Cool. Well, hey, we've got the builder of a little unknown tool called Flee.

@ncfrontiersman:
I don't know if you've heard of it. I'm just kidding.

@ncfrontiersman:
This thing is taking off. So GM, what's going on?

@ncfrontiersman:
You got some cool news. I saw you landed on GitHub's homepage, basically, right?

@thisisgm:
Yeah. Hi, everyone.

@ncfrontiersman:
Hey, what's up, GM?

@thisisgm:
What up? It's been an interesting week, for sure.

@thisisgm:
So let me take you back to, I don't know, Wednesday. Wednesday, I basically ran out of tokens.

@thisisgm:
And I was like, "Okay. Yeah, sure."

@thisisgm:
Like a week of five-day downtime won't affect much. Then I got sponsored another clothes up by the people at Super Whisper.

@thisisgm:
Those guys are awesome. And then I started fine-tuning performance even more to the point where I was measuring the input latency from key to key in off file managers.

@thisisgm:
It turns out Dolphin was the best at it at around 11 milliseconds per key. I tried to match it.

@thisisgm:
I got close. And I basically managed to fit in a bunch of features.

@thisisgm:
Then Friday hits and Neil from Super Whisper messages me like, "Hey, in Omarchi's dev branch, you team got updated to 6.12, and that breaks Flee. Just a heads up."

@thisisgm:
And I was like, "Sure. It's going to take a few weeks to get to stable."

@thisisgm:
Nope. Everybody on stable got the update.

@thisisgm:
So Flee was broken. And then I post yesterday night like, "Hey, can you guys confirm if you guys are getting QT 6.12 on stable?"

@thisisgm:
And who of all people replies? Of course, DHH himself.

@thisisgm:
Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
Wow.

@thisisgm:
So I basically, in the middle of my panic, I had to basically push all the work from Wednesday until yesterday to a few days from now for 0.3.10. And yeah, it's been an interesting weekend. That's the summary of it.

@ncfrontiersman:
Been a wild ride. Yeah. Wow.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. I don't know.

@ncfrontiersman:
I love this about X in general, the idea that anybody can get in front of anybody and talk to anybody. We're all on the same level playing field, I think.

@ncfrontiersman:
And other social media is not quite like that, other avenues. So the fact that we can just talk to DHH or just talk to the GitHub people or just talk to the Super Whisper people and get these people all listening, I think it's cool.

@ncfrontiersman:
It's a cool world.

@thisisgm:
Yeah. And I'm seeing he's here. And I want to give a huge shout-out to I do not want to butcher your name because I'm so thankful.

@thisisgm:
So I'm sorry in advance. But Tunda, he's the CEO of Cero Ramp.

@thisisgm:
They sponsored another 200 AI software for Flee.

@ncfrontiersman:
Wow.

@thisisgm:
And I just wanted to say thank you in front of everyone.

@ncfrontiersman:
Thank you, Tunda. That's great.

@thisisgm:
And I wanted to mention for you guys who don't know, I got a bunch of issues and PRs for Flee, and they are all welcome at all times. So if you have something you want fixed, please address it there because I usually credit most people, even if you just pointed out the issue. So the more the merrier, please contribute.

@thisisgm:
It's all like at the end of the day, it does not matter what file manager you actually end up using. At the end of the day, we're all using Linux OS.

@thisisgm:
It's whatever you want it to be.

@ncfrontiersman:
Right. Wonderful. Well, is there anything that we can help with as a community that you need help?

@ncfrontiersman:
Are you feeling overwhelmed with PRs or issues? Do you need some of us to jump on and help you triage them?

@ncfrontiersman:
We're happy to help, man.

@thisisgm:
I would love people testing stuff, like trying to break the app. That's the thing that AI is like. It can do it, but my tokens are directed at the new features and fixing the GitHub issues and all that.

@thisisgm:
So if you can just battery test the app, just click around, try to break it so I can spot the things that AI can't, then.

@NixFred:
Oh, that's my specialty, is breaking stuff.

@ncfrontiersman:
Oh, couldn't hear you, Fred.

@NixFred:
That's my specialty, is breaking stuff.

@thisisgm:
Yeah. And I also wanted to shout out Chris, who's the creator of the Atmos manager. It's a great app.

@thisisgm:
It does a bunch of things. If you can break that app as well, please do.

@ncfrontiersman:
Awesome. Well, hey, thanks for sharing. And I'm really happy to see the success that you're having.

@ncfrontiersman:
And I love Flee. It's so dialed in, man.

@ncfrontiersman:
It is so good. So I just appreciate all the work there.

@ncfrontiersman:
And yeah, let's all try to help. Let's try to let's test the heck out of it and see if we can find some edge cases and then write up issues or even PRs to fix it if we find it, so.

@thisisgm:
Yeah. I am beyond thankful for everyone who uses the app, for everyone who contributes, for everyone who has even donated to the project. You guys have to understand, it was just me with an idea of a Flea market being a file manager one month ago basically in my apartment.

@thisisgm:
And it's now a whole thing worldwide. And to me, that's insane.

@NixFred:
So GM, are you telling us that every single person in this space that has an idea can do it?

@thisisgm:
Of course. If I did with a 9-to-5 and with limited budget and tokens and time and all the excuses that people use to not make stuff, just prompt the AI, make something, put it out there.

@NixFred:
Awesome, brother. Awesome, brother.

@ncfrontiersman:
What a story. What a story. I mean, I feel like you're going to be one of those people they make a documentary about one day, like the Facebook ones, social, in a good way.

@thisisgm:
Let's not get carried away. It's a file manager. But thank you.

@ncfrontiersman:
This is just the start for you. I got a feeling. This is awesome.

@thisisgm:
I hope, brother. I hope.

@ncfrontiersman:
Wonderful. Well, anybody else got anything you want to speak? I think we're coming up at about an hour and 25 here.

@ncfrontiersman:
We got time for a little bit more. This has been such a great one this week.

@ncfrontiersman:
I feel like every week is better, which is pretty cool, so.

@NixFred:
We got Hancore. Hancore, you want to jump in, man? We'd love to hear from you.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. And no pressure if you don't want to. If you just want to kind of work, that's all good too.

@NixFred:
Or Chris Hollis is out there.

@ncfrontiersman:
Those are great folks.

@NixFred:
Tundy?

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Yeah. Chris, you want to talk about Atmos a little bit?

@ncfrontiersman:
Let's see if we get a request.

@NixFred:
I'm not seeing them. I'm not seeing them.

@ncfrontiersman:
Okay.

@NixFred:
Tech Luddites out there?

@ncfrontiersman:
Got time for one more person that wants to hop in.

@NixFred:
Oh, here we go. All right. It's going to be it's going to be Atmos.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right.

@NixFred:
How am I sounding, Wes?

@ncfrontiersman:
You're good.

@NixFred:
Okay. Cool.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right. Chris? I hear a dog barking, though.

@NixFred:
Let me mute out. Sorry.

@ncfrontiersman:
That's okay.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right, Chris, you're up.

@hicsfh:
Okay. Hey. What do you guys want to know?

@ncfrontiersman:
What's the.

@hicsfh:
Well, for people that aren't aware, what is Atmos, basically? All right. Yeah.

@hicsfh:
That's a pretty good question.

@hicsfh:
I've been thinking a lot about it because when I post about it, I write Atmos is like a config, configuration center, control panel, preference pane, monitoring thing. I don't really know what it is, to be honest.

@hicsfh:
It does a lot of different things. And I don't know if it has a distinct one category yet.

@hicsfh:
I just know that when you go to Windows, I always felt like in the control center there or panel, I think it's called.

@ncfrontiersman:
Control panel, yeah.

@hicsfh:
Yeah. It was never really it was never really as good as it could be. And the same thing when you're on a Mac.

@hicsfh:
I'm sure most of you who've been on Mac OS for a long time have noticed how when you search for things, it doesn't bring up the thing that you need, even though it's super obvious, even in Spotlight. So Atmos is just kind of very similar to Flee, except I don't think it's quite as big.

@hicsfh:
And we kind of saw a problem that I could kind of potentially own in a way, not possessively, but that maybe this was something that could be my little slice of the Omachi pie that I could work on and I could contribute on. But you can use Atmos.

@hicsfh:
You can install it. I just submitted it to the OPR, so I hope it gets approved there soon.

@hicsfh:
And you can use it to essentially configure most of the things that I've found on Omachi. So you can change the themes.

@hicsfh:
Of course, you can change all the hyperland stuff. You can set your default applications.

@hicsfh:
You can go and look at what kind of machine you have. If you kind of get a kick out of figuring out what all your hardware is called and the SKUs and the serial numbers, you can go in and find most of that stuff.

@hicsfh:
You can get Omachi updates. I tried to add a ton of different things because it's kind of like a journey for me where I'm learning.

@hicsfh:
And I guess I'm kind of journaling my journey of learning Linux and Omachi at this level into the application itself.

@ncfrontiersman:
Wonderful. So it's almost like discoverability. You're building an app that kind of makes it easier to discover all of the settings, the hardware, the config, all the things that are kind of hidden behind the scenes in config files.

@ncfrontiersman:
You're kind of bringing that to the front so that it's kind of in one spot. Is that kind of what it is?

@hicsfh:
Yeah, pretty much. So I think with Quatro, of course, everybody knows here that Omachi exploded.

@hicsfh:
But I think one thing that we need to keep in mind is that it did explode, but it's only on I shouldn't say only, but it is still in a relatively small little microcosm on X relative to the rest of the world. I'm sure most of you have colleagues who are not where you're like, "You should try Omachi," and they're not really getting into it yet.

@hicsfh:
And I just wanted to I'm not really into editing all these files by hand, to be honest. I like having a graphical user interface.

@hicsfh:
I like visualizing things. I'm not a keyboard whiz.

@hicsfh:
I've used computers 35 years at least, or 30. And I've always liked using them on mouse.

@hicsfh:
But there's some sort of I think a lot of people have a it's like a badge of honor. If you can use new Vim, I can't.

@hicsfh:
And I'm okay with that.

@ncfrontiersman:
Hey, that's fine. Yeah. I mean, I think that's what makes Omachi great is you make it what you want it to be, right?

@ncfrontiersman:
And for a lot of people, the mouse and graphical is the way to go. I mean, I kind of waffle between the two.

@ncfrontiersman:
I love the keyboard now, for sure. But I still like point and click because it's kind of like it's that ADHD thing, I think.

@ncfrontiersman:
But in any case, that's really cool what you're building. And I'm glad you're doing it.

@ncfrontiersman:
And I'm sure that there's plenty of people out there that are benefiting from it already, so.

@NixFred:
Oh, I'm benefiting from it. I use Atmos. I'm not even kidding about every hour.

@NixFred:
So much so that I made it a super hot key and made it drop down like a Quake terminal.

@ncfrontiersman:
Wow. Oh, there you go.

@NixFred:
Just right there and ready to go. Just right there and ready to go.

@ncfrontiersman:
Well, I need to check it out. All right. Well, thanks, Chris.

@ncfrontiersman:
It's good to hear from you. Fred, you've got.

@hicsfh:
If I may, before I go, I just wanted to ask anyone kind of similar to what GM was talking about.

@hicsfh:
One of the great things with AI is we got a lot of bandwidth to get a lot of stuff done. But honestly, I think a lot of us building these apps, I think we feel like we have a lot of blind spots, maybe.

@hicsfh:
And I'm trying to figure out ways because I'm a software engineer by trade as well. So I have a lot of that stuff on my mind.

@hicsfh:
I'm trying to figure out ways to use AI, not just to build things, but also to kind of close those gaps and stuff. And I definitely think that's one of the places where we don't know as an industry how to do that best yet.

@hicsfh:
So right now, I think the best way to do it is just having people use it, but then also getting that direct communication to people who are using it. So if you find something not working, instead of just shutting it down and not trying it again, if anyone could reach out or just I would immensely appreciate anyone finding anything wrong with it and letting me know so I can fix it.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Totally. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman:
Yeah. Let Chris know.

@ncfrontiersman:
I mean, they can message you or, I guess, file an issue on the GitHub.

@hicsfh:
Yeah. I would greatly appreciate it.

@ncfrontiersman:
Very good. All right. Well, with Chris, Chris is closing us out.

@ncfrontiersman:
So thanks, Chris. And Fred, you got any parting words of wisdom before we wrap?

@NixFred:
No, man. Yeah. I appreciate you as always, Wes.

@NixFred:
You lead the way in the community, and it's wonderful to follow your leadership. And everybody out there, follow each other while we're still connected.

@NixFred:
I'm beating that dead horse, but I really mean it. I'm trying to follow everybody that's here.

@NixFred:
Get out there. Be kind to each other.

@NixFred:
Help an old lady across the street. And when you get her there, put a marching on her laptop.

@ncfrontiersman:
There you go. We need a T-shirt for that, Fred.

@NixFred:
That's right. You bet.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right, y'all. I hope y'all have a good one. Thank you.

@NixFred:
See everybody next week. See everybody next week.

@ncfrontiersman:
All right. Bye-bye.