# EP 08: Sunday Builders Club: The One Where the Machine Is Just a Portal Part of "Omarchy! Omarchy! Omarchy!", the weekly Omarchy X Space. Every Sunday, 3pm EST, live on X. - Recorded: Sunday, November 1, 2026, 3pm EST - Length: 88 minutes - Hosts: @NixFred, @calledtocnstrct - Listen: https://x.com/i/spaces/1NglZEglAZjQMZ - Post on X: - Web: https://omarchyspaces.com/ep/08/ ## Summary (as posted on X by @NixFred) Sunday Builders Club, Episode 8: "The one where the machine is just a portal." Recorded Sunday, November 1, 2026. An hour and 28 minutes, a rough start, and a stage full of people who stayed up and traded ideas. Listen: https://x.com/i/spaces/1NglZEglAZjQMZ Full write-up and the complete transcript: https://omarchyspaces.com/ep/08/ Wes is normally the host and sets up the Space so everybody can hit remember and remind me. This week we had technical difficulties, so I started it myself, and the first stretch was me asking people to come up so I was not just sitting there running my mouth. Once the co-host got in (the transcript has me saying "called the construct" and later "Joe") it turned into a proper show. A note on names: the transcript tool hands out Speaker N labels and reuses them, so I am keeping the labels and only using a name where somebody said it out loud on air. Speaker 1 is me. THE ROUGH START Speaker 4, the co-host, said he tried to join from two different machines and one got blocked. His read was that the connection had been going through Tailscale and the Space dropped when it was turned off. That sent me down a side road. This week MagicDNS stopped working on a couple of my machines and I had to reassign Tailscale's quad 100. I could not tell if I did it, an agent did it, or Tailscale did it. Speaker 4 said his Tailscale also dropped at times and he had to reconnect by hand. Same for me, twice. That is why I love Omarchy with AI: when you are in control and something breaks, "the only distance between you and fixing it is your voice." THE WEEK IN OMARCHY Speaker 3, who I greeted as Catherine, gave the newsletter update: the Tuesday edition this week "is going to be the best yet," and it promotes Sunday Builders Club. I am still waiting on the stickers. I have not checked the mail, it is too far away. Omarchy 4.5 RC2 is out and the final edition has not dropped. I was hoping the person the transcript renders as "Hank" would stop by. I said he got promoted and is now one of the four founding staff, with more to come, says DHH. WHY OMARCHY WITH AI CHANGED HOW I THINK Even four months ago I was passionate about Macintosh. I have not used Windows professionally or as a personal machine since Windows 95, only in virtual machines. Looking back, I was "subconsciously ignoring things" I knew I had no control over, and it never occurred to me I could radically change how the machine looks and works. I just accepted it as 80 percent. Omarchy with AI blew away more than the ability to change things. It blew away the mind limitation I did not know I had. THE NEWSPAPER THAT READS THE OTHER BOTS Something I worked out on Grokbot. I was going back and forth with Tom Ballard in the comments, he pointed me to an article, and I told a bot to put it on my reading list. Then my brain did what it does: if it can do that, can it do this? My news bot used to have static topics. The next uplift is to stop making it static. Make each section its own bot, point the newspaper at all my other Grokbots as sources, and have each of them write its piece to a Markdown file. Then add the part I care about most, which is the Tom Tracker, the bot that tracks the people I follow on X. In my mind "the highest level purpose of Grokbot is the Tom Tracker," and it is funny to me that Tom is the one who showed me how to make it do stuff. I do not want the Tom Tracker as a section. I want it as an integration: if the paper is reporting a story, go see what the people I pay attention to have said about it. And do not just run sections one, two, three, four. Tell me why they matter together. You can follow anybody for this, even outside Omarchy and AI. If it is turtle raising, make it that. Any topic you care about, mixed with the people you care about, in real time. I posted the whole thing, and if you have it set up, all you have to do is add Grokbot as a comment and that news bot just got a job that feeds an upper layer reporting system. I am not smarter than anybody here. Tom taught me and "I just learned this 25 minutes ago." Where do we stop? I don't know. I am going a little bit crazy here. SPEAKER 4: THE BOT NETWORK AND THE ROLL-UP Speaker 4 said I am six months ahead of him, maybe a year. He started with a chief of staff bot like everybody, then added bots dedicated to GitHub reviews of the projects he follows and one that watches the Omarchy Discord because so much goes on there. He also built a personal assistant: he tells it what he ate and what activity he did, it checks the weather forecast and plans his schedule, because he hates calendars. What he was missing was a roll-up of it all, and the newspaper idea is a level above organization. It has become so important to his daily routine that he told every bot to back up its data files on a regular basis. Later he told the story behind that. He set up a connection to Google Drive and every night at midnight each bot backs up its data files into a folder named after the bot. He learned the hard way. The Grokbot app had a button to upgrade the Grokbot computer, he hit it, and everything was gone. The bots still knew their system prompt but lost the conversation history they kept in Markdown files. He figured it was a glitch. A couple of weeks later a Grokbot update did it again. He said fool me once, fool me twice, and that is when the backup went in. Some of those folders hold hundreds of K to megabytes, because he has bots building software on their own machines. They run on a Grok account, so he told them to use Grok Build, and they download compilers as needed. He also covered the token side. One format he uses is similar to JSON but token optimized: you declare at the top what your objects contain and in what order, so the model does not need a repeated tag on every item in an array, and it saves at least 15 percent, more as the data set grows. (The start of that segment is missing from the transcript.) He also has the team build custom command line tools for the things the orchestrator does over and over, and expects to save 10, 15, even 20 percent of tokens a day. GitHub already has a command line tool, he uses GitLab as well and had not looked for one. SPEAKER 7: THE NEW HERDER APP, TAMAGOTCHIS AND A SCANNED OFFICE I introduced Speaker 7 as "JK's brother" and one of my heroes. He said he just started with Grokbot last week, so I asked for something different. What he found last week is the new native Mac app for Herder. He said he started on Omarchy about two years ago, first with tmux, then Herder, and the native app connects to the Herder server. What he likes is that it is "really bendable," the same as Omarchy. Open Herder and tell it you want a side panel with all your GitHub issues, and a few minutes later you have it. The site is Herder.dev. On my side, my Mac has become a client: I start Herder on my server and SSH over, and on the Mac I use Orca more. He closed a couple of issues on the meeting recorder last week, which I use every day. And he made a silly project, the Tamagotchis: small robots in the corner of the screen so he can see all his agents working, which engines are running and which are ready. It scratches an itch and it is fun, like the paperclip he made before. Then the office. He pointed at a Wes Bos iPhone app that uses the lidar to scan a room into a zip file of about 400 megabytes, and he used Claude Code to turn his scan into a 3D room for a website. I retweeted it, so you can walk around his office. There is a poster that says move fast and break things, a couple of guitars (he played in a punk band), and coffee on the desk, not Coca Cola. He also ordered 100 Omarchy pins and hopes people order them so he does not keep all hundred. MR. HEATH: SCALE, SQLITE AND A FIRST GPU I said it out loud: I got my first GPU of my entire life yesterday, I had never owned a game GPU, and it is an AMD. Heath said he knew, that I had sent him the photo, and that he had converted another person. On scale, he runs Grokbot, a Claude Duet and Claude schedules. His scheduled tasks go out for the daily news, and he has them write a JSON sidecar of the pertinent information into a SQLite file, which feeds his larger database. He needs it for performance data like VMware benchmarks and CPU benchmarks, because he answers big proposals and RFPs and when a customer wants the latest and greatest he has it already. He is still working on a really big system for the Pentagon. All he wants anyone here to hear from him is not that he is doing bigger, cooler things: "it's not better. It's just different." He reads everybody's posts as inspiration, hopes to release some projects to the public, and he and I may start working on something. Speaker 3 came back with the same idea in a different shape. His news bot searches GitHub, so if a Codex update might break something on his PC it tells him not to install it. It reports the story into one specific Codex session he keeps for his Omarchy PC, which recommends what to update and what to hold back, and then sends it to all his bots through OpenBot so everybody knows where everybody is. Two more things from him. He released an Omarchy theme called Clearance, built on Heath saying he used to pilot an F-117, with an F-117 wallpaper. And he released Signal Tube, in his GitHub repo, which sorts out the stuff on YouTube that is important to you. Please test it. Speaker 4 said all this is exciting and a little offensive at once, because he makes connections between people and things for a living, and there is no way his brain keeps up with this much information. Technology reaching into areas we could never find on our own and bringing it to us is the brilliant part. SPEAKER 2: THE DROP DOWN, GROK BUILD, PAGES AND WEBHOOKS Speaker 2, whom Speaker 1 and Speaker 6 call Tim, started with the built-in console he thinks is coming in 4.5. He is on the edge branch, has it bound to super grave (some people call that tilde), and uses the quake style drop down. Grok Build is the Grok command line, like Claude Code or Codex but for Grok. It pulls from the same usage as your subscription and he likes it for low level hardware work and for the desktop, like asking it to create purple borders for a window while it cooks in the background. I asked whether I can call a Grokbot from Grok Build. He had not tried that, but he thinks you can call Build from Bot no problem. I joked about Grok Build managing Grokbot managing Larry managing Claude Code. Something will be on top of it next week. Then Grokbot Pages, the little dashboards that have been blowing my mind. He works for an MSP doing IT and security, supporting government clients, lately CMMC. At work they use an RMM to manage thousands of computers from a single pane of glass. At home he built a light RMM with Grokbot: Grokbot is the agent on each machine, and a central dispatch bot can reach out to a workstation and run commands, like an update. He tells Pages to list hostname, IP address, patch status and the metrics you would expect, and it builds the page. Webhooks are how the workstations ping back to the mothership. He has about 30 bots and a dashboard of all of them, and he told his dispatch bot to build a light RMM for small businesses with 10 or 12 devices. He is, in his words, "automating myself out of a job in some ways." I pushed on scale, since Grokbot is not managing 100,000 machines. His answer: get an MVP working in Pages, then have it write the real thing in whatever language. He also described telling a bot to find which of his posts got the most engagement and to suggest five posts inside his subject matter wheelhouse for him to review. Speaker 6 jumped in, sorry Tim, to say he has a similar problem with what he calls "air-gapped data holes," and that the two of them have to link up. Tim agreed. Getting to know each other is the whole point of this. SPEAKER 6: THE CHEAT CODE One more from Speaker 6, for everybody. O'Reilly tech books got expensive. Join the ACM, the Association for Computing Machinery: $99 a year plus a $75 add-on, so $175 a year, for unlimited access to the O'Reilly books, including books while they are still being written (he is looking at titles not due until 2027). It also includes Percipio, the training platform, with courses and tests toward CompTIA, Cisco and DevOps Institute certifications. Not affiliated, no payment, he has been a member for 25 years. SPEAKER 8: WIPE THE DRIVE, FEED AI THE TEXT FILE Speaker 8 had been dual booting Windows and Omarchy, but really only using Omarchy. A terabyte drive with 600 gigs for Windows was the problem, because taking space back means booting from USB and reorganizing the whole disk. So he wiped everything and installed the new RC. The trick: when he first installed Omarchy, trying to get DaVinci Resolve working, he kept a file of everything he installed, plugins, keyboard layout, screen layout. He fed that file back to the AI and it put the computer back the way it was. If you just record what you do, you can rebuild. Hermes runs through a gateway to his dev machine, so reinstalling Hermes and reconnecting brought back every chat and the history. His skills live in a repository, he writes his own and has another agent update them so he can see the changes. The new install feels much faster, either the new version or too much stuff running on the old one. The question he left us with: "if your machine had to die right now, how would you know what was on there?" Speaker 4 on that: he now views every machine he touches as a portal into his information. His information is outside the machine, he backs everything up, and "the machine is just a portal." He can wipe a drive, grab a new machine and go. All of this is turning into prompts you feed your network, so he looks at the future differently than the early 2026 way of thinking. HOW LARRY SURVIVES A DEAD MACHINE Speaker 4 asked how prepared I am if my bot network is wiped. I do not worry about it, I am an infrastructure guy by trade. Larry has a private repo and pushes up every night, no secrets. I use a symlink so that everything Claude Code stores lands in the project directory, and that directory is a GitHub repo. Here is the secret a lot of people do not know: a commit message can be paragraphs and paragraphs. When Claude Code commits to save himself, those commits become a kind of backup database. When he needs something, the first place he looks is local disk, then he greps the project. All of our harnesses have perfect memory. "The trick is how you get them to recall the right information at the right time" for the right project. I can lose my machine and I do not even think about backups, it all pushes up to a bucket. My whole setup is "probably $19 a month for everything." I used to have terabytes and terabytes of storage. Now I have nothing, and I like it. Speaker 4 noted the cost of things dropping while the capabilities expand. I had to step away to help a family member (nothing wrong, just important to us) and came back before the end. SPEAKER 5: BUILDING A TABLET, AND AN AGENT INBOX Speaker 4 turned to DevSec to ask about the project. Speaker 5 said he never anticipated how much goes into building a tablet, especially bringing graphic acceleration up across different chipsets. When it is done it should be a good testament to the community, and at some point the tablet and your large desktop will sync with each other. The most frustrating part is custom drivers. Device makers are limiting how much access you get to the chipset. There is a trusted execution environment those companies have to adhere to, Snapdragon has very strict rules, and that is why American versions of tablets are very hard to bootloader unlock: the chip makers' terms and conditions. Reverse engineering and open sourcing a driver is where it gets complicated. A couple of people he knows are doing phones. Speaker 4 said his feed keeps filling with people bringing Omarchy to hardware and we should do a Space with that as the theme. If you know someone working on this, say so. Then Speaker 5's workflow, which he will also write up. His chief of staff on the Grokbot side is the orchestrator. In Google Drive he made one folder called Agent Inbox, with a folder for each model provider he works with (Duet, Codex and so on). He tells each agent to watch its own folder for Markdown files. When he wants a brainstorm or research, Grokbot writes the instructions as an MD file, drops it in each folder, the agents pick it up, do the research, and put the result in a completed folder. That is brainstorming with an unlimited number of models without spending crazy money on tools: set up the Drive, give each model its folder, have the orchestrator drop the file. Speaker 4 said his human team at work talked about the same thing this week, that different models, even just switching the reasoning level, change the personality, so you want several looking at the same project. CLOSING Speaker 4 tried something different this week and kept more people up on stage for crosstalk, so you can jump in on what someone just said. I thought it was great. I said we have regulars now, a little momentum, and "it's all about people learning." Thank you Joe, you are like a colleague and a friend now. As we say every week, help an old lady across the street. When you get her over there, put Omarchy on her laptop. ASKS ON THE TABLE Follow everybody in the room and boost each other. Test Signal Tube, the tool that sorts the important stuff on YouTube. It is in Speaker 3's GitHub repo, and he asked everyone with a little time to try it. Take a look at the Clearance theme, with its F-117 wallpaper. Try the new native Herder app. The site is Herder.dev. Want a cheat code for training? Look at the ACM membership and the Percipio add-on Speaker 6 described. Try adding Grokbot as a comment on my post and give your own bot a reporting job. Working on Omarchy for tablets, phones or other hardware? Tell Speaker 4 about it, a hardware Space is on the table. QUESTIONS STILL OPEN Q1. If your machine had to die right now, would you know what was on it, and could you rebuild it from a text file? Q2. If something catastrophic hit your bot network, are you prepared to restore it? Q3. Where do we stop? When the newspaper reads the bots and the bots follow the people, how far up does the integration go? /Nix and Larry ## Transcript Machine generated. Speaker labels come from the transcription tool and are reused for different people; the summary says who is who. Speaker 1: Hey, all three of you guys. Thank you for coming. We had some major problems. Wes is normally the host, and so he puts it out there. Everybody hits remember and remind me. having some pretty bad technical difficulties, unfortunately, like we always do sometimes. And so I started it, so I've tickled that the six of you found it. And we are going to do a show, and it might just be for a few of us. So stick around, and please apologize for the for the lack of preparation or whatever, or the lack of the connection. So hang on, Just one second if anybody would like to come and join me so that I'm not just sitting here running my mouth and being boring I asked to speak and let's chat about your week. Boom. Who is it? All right, Catherine what's going on? How'd they have the newsletter go this week? Speaker 1: Look at there. It's not promoting her So weird they said they fixed us are you there? Sorry. All right. Well, give us give us the 22nd update on how this week went for you with the newsletter Speaker 3: Okay, really well. The Tuesday edition coming out this week is going to be the best yet. And it promotes Sunday builders club as well as well. Speaker 1: That's kind of it. I love it. Well, we look forward to reading it and can't wait to get to get my hands on that. So thanks for all you do for the community. I look forward to getting those stickers from you. Speaker 3: Super. Yeah, you should have them- I don't know what- Speaker 1: I've never checked the mails too far away. I'll get to it. Speaker 3: Okay. I understand that. I have to arrive in 20 minutes to get mine. Speaker 1: All right. Take it easy. Sure. Let me do some housekeeping here. There's called the construct. Let me pull him in. Hey, Cole. Did you get? Okay, so let's just jump real fast and thanks for everybody being here. I want to run through the stories we're going to talk about once all of the gang gets here. We saw that Omarchy 4.5 RC. RC2 is out, so Final Edition hadn't dropped. I was hoping that Hank or might drop by. He got promoted and is now one of the four founding staff. More-howers to come, says DHH. Speaker 1: And there's a bunch more stories that we can talk about this week. As my compadres, have they joined yet? Guys are you you on Sorry everybody, they're seeing how the sausage is made for sure. You're either laughing or frustrated, one or the other. It's awesome. Hey, hey, Sam. Oh man, you saved me. You saved me. Speaker 4: All right. Yeah, I tried to join from two different machines and, and it blocked me on the one with. Of course you did. Speaker 5: Well, hey Speaker 1: hey, um, could you kind of run down there? Try to hear my voice kind of run down what happened and why we're so late and the complete kerfuffle. Speaker 4: Yeah a sounds like it might have been connecting through Tailscale and then when he tried to to turn that off then the space dropped so yeah I'm gonna have a little bit of like tail Speaker 1: scale for me I usually forget about it I don't know about you guys but like it's so good that it just disappears and a couple issues this week with some of my machines MagicDNS not working so I wonder did I do something stupid or does my experience this week coupled with with Wes is there something going on with the DNS? Because I had to go into a couple of my machines and reassign Tailscale's quad 100. So I don't know if that was something I did, something that one of my agents did or something, Tailscale a problem with. Speaker 1: I'd love to hear if anybody else had a problem with. Speaker 4: I'm not sure about that I did have some times where it just disconnected and I had to go manually reconnect. So not sure. Speaker 1: Yes, that happened to me twice too. So that's commonality there and that's where we saw Well, we're wrong maybe. In this case, that's why I love Omarchy AI so much. It's like when you're in control of it and it is a problem, the only distance between you and fixing it is your voice. Speaker 1: Apparently, cold doesn't have one. So what I'm talking about is, So we have, I was so passionate about Macintosh, like even four months ago. Like how fight you, you talk about it. I have not used Windows professionally or as a personal machine since Windows 95. I have used it in virtual machines. Speaker 1: subconsciously ignoring things that I I knew that I just didn't have control over. And I'm not talking about like how it looks because I'm I'm I guess that's That right there is an example of why it was okay I was, I liked it. I didn't think it was amazing, but it never occurred to me that I could radically change it. That's an example of how Omarchy with AI has completely blown away, not just the fact that I can, but there was a mind limitation that I had that I just accepted it as 80 percent. I just accepted it. Speaker 1: Real quick, I want to talk about something that I've come up figured out tonight at Grokbot. I know a lot of you are using Grokbots. One of the things that I figured out was, I was joking around with Tom Ballard, just back and forth in the comments as I like to do. I hope I'm interacting with all of you. Speaker 1: Put this on the list. I know that probably if you're using Grokbot, everybody's doing that and that's cool. The only way that my dumb brain learns is I build on one little idea and go, if it can do that, can it do this? When he said, but remember this article, I want to come back to it, put it on my reading list and I. That's cool. That's a good use. That's interesting. Then it occurred to me, I like lifting people up and think it's fun. What I did it was, I said, I commented on that and I like to make it ridiculous, for Tom, Thank you. So then again, my brain goes, how Give me the news on. So the next upgrade or the next uplift is to start telling it to merge those things. And instead of making it static with those topics, make each of your Gro that I work on on and I pay attention to. So instead of having static subjects in your newspaper, tell the newspaper to do all those things, but then also go get as a source those other Grokbots and tell those bots bots to write their newspaper or whatever in an MD Then, and then it occurred to me, that's why I'm here. The Tom Tracker thing, like that is pretty much the definition or in my mind, the highest level purpose of Grokbot is the Tom Tracker. It's funny to me that I had this epiphany. Tom showed me how to make it do do stuff. So the point of this is that if that's the highest thing, then I want my newspaper to use all of the bots as a source, but then as and that's the structure, but the integration or the theme now of the newspaper is through the lens of the Tom tracker tracker and what those people are talking about. So don't give me the news about AI. Give me the news about AI. Give me the news about AI and integrate what the Tom Tracker, all the people that I pay attention to, have said, done, what they care about, bring it all together so that the newspaper is no longer topics the newspaper is now Grokbot outsourced of very specific tasks. Speaker 1: Bring those, tell your newspaper to not just report each one of them, but why do they matter together? Like bring it all together. there's two pieces one is all of the other bots one is the the tom tracker bot and and then the other is is that they all like i don't want you to report sections why does this one attached to that one And the last most important piece, and then I'm gonna give it over to somebody else and thank you for, listening to this. The last important piece is that you can also drop in. Speaker 1: I've just posted and this is an advertisement. I truly want to teach you. I just posted this whole thing into a post. All you have to do if you've got it set up, is to go add Grokbot as comment. Now, if you've Great. What happens is that news bot just got a job. That now feeds an upper layer reporting system that tells you what the people you care about, and whoever those people are, follow them. I don't even care if it's outside of Omarchy and AI. If it if it's a turtle raising, like make it that. Speaker 1: So any topic, your now your thing is, the people that I care about mixed with the topics that I care about, what they're doing real time, and for me to add that skill or to have my Grokbot paper follow them, all I have to do is tag Grokbot. I hope this. This makes sense. I hope it helps you. If I'm doing it wrong, like let me know if I can take that up, like my brain's pretty much at the top level. And now I talked to you about how each feature builds each feature. If you can take this higher, Back over to you, Colb. Can you speak now? Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, actually while you're reading your messages I'll respond to that because I think what I think you're like six months ahead of me. Maybe maybe a year Which you know, I know it's all relative right but of course Speaker 1: Man, it's not there's no comparison here, right? So that's what's cool about this industry like there that's why I'm telling people this because Tom taught me to do it So now I'm teaching others. I'm not smarter. I just learned this 25 minutes ago Speaker 6: Yeah. Right, exactly. Speaker 4: So yeah, go ahead and bring me up to co-host, if you don't mind. Speaker 1: The thing is, no worries. Speaker 4: What's been fascinating is I took a similar approach, but like I said, you're way ahead. Ahead of me. One of the first things I did of course, chief of staff is there. I mean, initially at least everybody started out with that. But after I set up a couple dedicated to GitHub reviews, reviewing what going on on the projects on GitHub, that I'm interested in. And then, you know, I set one up to watch the Omarchy Discord because, I mean, there's so much going on there. Um, and, and then I said, well, you know, what I really need is a personal assistant. Speaker 4: And my personal assistant was intended and, and works really well for this. I can give it. here's what I ate today, here's the activity that I did today and I'm and go out and check. The weather forecast and plan out my schedule because I'm terrible with calendar. I kind of hate calendars. And so anyway, I got that set up and I liked that the personal assistant could kind of forecast things for me and kind of organize my But what I've really been missing is a roll up of what's going on. And that, you know, what you're talking talking about there is just a level above organization. And, you know, we're just beginning to tap into this. I'll, I'll tell you though, it it's become such an important thing for me that I had, I connected it to a disk storage technology. And then I told all of the bots to back up their data files on a regular a basis because you know, if something you know, if something happens, I want to be able to get back to it, how integrated it has become in my daily routine. Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's amazing. JK's brother, what's up, man? Thanks for joining. You're one of my heroes, man. Speaker 7: Thanks. Can you hear me? Speaker 1: Yeah, we hear you great. The floor is yours, man. Speaker 7: What do you got to say? Speaker 7: Yeah, what are you talking about? I just started with Grokbot last week, so I'm completely new in it. Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well, man. I mean, you do so many amazing things, man. Like, it doesn't have to be Grokbot focused on. I think we've got enough Gro Grokbot. Like, tell. Something different that we're missing or something that you're working on, because you're always Like you crank out the craziest amount of stuff and I don't know how you do it because I'm Like I I'm at 120% and you're running circles around me Speaker 7: Thank you Yeah, so last week I I um discovered a herder The the new mac app, that's something i'm really excited about right now stash already Speaker 1: Oh, I used so my macintosh has really become a client over to my machine So I start Herder over on my server and then I SSH over so that's not really using Herder on my Mac On my Mac, I really use more Orca because it's why I skip the visuals But I don't really do much on my Mac because when I go into Herder or when I go into Orca on my Mac I just like to go to my server anyway, so Speaker 7: Did you see that they released a native app? Speaker 1: I did not so please I want to you know, you learn something for you every time man. What's the new thing? Speaker 7: So I've been... I started using Omarchy like two years ago and then I first I was using tmux. And then I started using Herder, which is kind of the same, but it's the default in a market right now. Yeah. And I've been using that for a while. So what it does, it can keep your app, which connects to the Herder server. And the cool thing about this native So it's just as flexible as Omarchy is. Speaker 1: How does that help your workflow? Are you combining that with Tailscale, with other things, and kind of mixing together to be able to continue working no matter where you are? no matter where you are. Speaker 7: And the cool thing is that what I'm doing right now is like, I'm you can see all the details and you can completely customize how you work with it. Speaker 1: Yeah, and I see you're not just talking about in the terminal, you're talking like a brew command, you're talking about, because I'm looking at your post from yesterday. Twelve hours, I'm already hooked on the new Herder app, What's flexible. What's flexible about it for you? Where do I find it man? Speaker 7: Herder.dev is their website. Okay. When I say flexible, I mean that the same as Omarchy is it's really bendable so you can just open Claude Code and say I want this background and then your background changes. And that's the same for this Herder app. So you open Herder and you say I want the side panel with all my GitHub issues and then it's five-. minutes later, boom, you have it. That's amazing. Speaker 1: What other, so that's something that you found. What's something that you made? I use your message recorder every single day, man. Oh yeah. Speaker 7: I, last week I closed a couple of issues from the meeting recorder. And what else did I do? I made like a silly project. the Tamagotchis. Speaker 1: What's the matter? Speaker 7: It's kind of a stupid toy thing. I wanted to see all my agents in Omarchy. So I made like small robots you can see in the corner of your computer. And you can see them working like the paperclip I made before. Speaker 1: So does that scratch a niche for you or is that something that you just like you got Speaker 7: to do, something a little Yeah, I think a little bit of both because it scratches an itch because I wanted to see all the time what my agents are doing and what engines are running and which ones ready, even if I'm not I also want it to be fun. Right. That's a little bit of fun. Speaker 1: I don't want to freak you out, man, but I Speaker 7: That's also something I made this week. Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got a poster on the wall that says move fast and break things. Yeah. You've got a couple of guitars. Tell us about the guitars. Speaker 7: Yeah, I played in a punk band when I Speaker 1: Of course you did. So tell everybody what I'm talking about and how the hell I'm walking around in your office. Speaker 1: What's his Speaker 7: name? Wes Bos. Do you know him? Speaker 1: I do know the name. Speaker 7: Yeah, he's like a kind of famous web developer. developer. He made like a iPhone app recently and a blog post. And he made an iPhone app which uses the the lighter of your phone, so you can scan a room. And then that gives you like a really big zip file, like 400 megabytes or something. And then you can use Claude Code to... to make it nice and 3D for a website. That's what I did. Speaker 1: I just retweeted it so if anybody wants to go walk around. around Dranky's office and look at the empty Coca Cola bottles on his desk, be my guest. Speaker 7: No, that's coffee. That's coffee on my desk. Speaker 1: And you bring Omarchy pins. I think you just ordered 100 of them? Speaker 7: Yeah,. True. Yeah, that's also. It has been a busy week. Speaker 1: You know, you've been killing it Speaker 7: Yeah, I ordered the Omarchy pins, that's true. Speaker 1: Of course, of course. Speaker 7: I hope people are going to order them so I don't keep all hundreds here. Speaker 1: Well, man, I really appreciate dropping by and it's been amazing to have you here. So drop by anytime. We really appreciate it. Mr. Heath. Speaker 7: Thanks. Speaker 1: What's going on, brother? Speaker 8: Hey Fred. Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Yeah, I hear you great. I talked to you on the phone this week. I don't know what you can talk about, but tell us some of the enormous, tell us the scale at what you're working on. You've been on the show a couple of times. I know it's super embarrassing to you. I just got my first GPU of my entire life. I've never even owned a game GPU yesterday. So I'm excited about that. And you'll, you'll be proud that it's an AMD. So. Speaker 6: Oh, I know man. You sent me that photo or, you know, are you sending it out? And I was like, yeah, I've converted another person. Speaker 1: You Talk about scale, man. Speaker 6: Well, first of I have grogbot, I have a Claude duet, I have a Claude schedules, and so one of the things, and I shared some of mine with you, and I shared some of mine with you, right, when we were were talking. And so one of the things that you and I probably didn't talk about is that I have another function. So if you're out there running So if you're out there running, um, Grokbot or Duet or, or any of these things in the schedule, they go out and get you the daily news, right? Like where you were talking. Speaker 6: So what I do is I take a, I take and I have it create a JSON side of pertinent information. And then I store that in a SQLite file. Um, then part of the reason I do that is because of what I need to constantly do, Fred, I showed you some of my stuff where I'm always looking at performance databases. And so in my, you guys have probably all seen them, you know, VMware benchmarks or the CPU 2017, 20, 26 benchmarks of just, you know, how fast. How fast does the CPU, how fast. How fast does the GPU, whatever it is. Speaker 6: And so in my world, I need to keep track of all that because as much as CPUs and GPUs and networks and everything change. because I have to respond to a lot of these super big proposals, RFPs I have to keep on top of that. So what I do is I take the output from these new source pieces and I extrapolate them out into a SQL database or SQLite database that is and then that gets parsed into change in my larger database. And so I compare those to be able to constantly feed my system with new information so that when a customer wants an RFP on the latest and greatest, I have it. And I've gone out and I've screen scraped or I've done something. And so that's what I do a lot of times on my scheduled tasks. So instead of just me reading the news, it just kind of goes out and populates a database for me to use in a proposal sense and just gives me all the latest scale wise. Fred, you get to see some of this. still working on a really big system for the Pentagon. And so it's just one of those things where all I ever want anybody in this group to hear from me is not that, hey, I'm doing bigger, better, cooler things than you. I'm not. We're doing different things. I read your posts. Speaker 1: Fred, she just has more heroes. Speaker 6: It does. But I'm reading, Fred, I'm read your posts. I'm reading everybody's posts of what they're working on. And it's just inspiration to me because I work on a different scale and that's it. It's again, it's not better. It's just different. And so it's one of those things where part of what I am hoping to do, Fred, you've had a peek behind the curtains, you know, now is, is I want to try to figure out how to figure out how to back more because. Because I've been taken. And so, you know, there's, there's some projects that are coming down the line that I hope to to be able to kind of release to the public. And Fred and I may start working on some stuff that might blow some people's Yeah, anyway, I just wanted to say how I use my new source pieces to build a sidecar of information to kind of feed another database that ultimately helps me out in what the Speaker 1: So Amazing Speaker 3: . I interests And so my news. It it come back to me me so many times and said, Yeah, people are having issues and right and the one thing that was sticking out was the B I think it does it for everything if codex does an update and it goes out and searches GitHub and that update says it might mess something up on my PC right it tells me not to install it so so so it pulls in that news right but not only does it do that it will then send it I have many many Codex sessions, but one of them is just for playing around with my PC, right? Speaker 3: Stuff that's relevant to changing stuff on my Omarchy PC. So, it will also report that specific news story into that specific Codex session. And that Codex session will take it any further and then give me recommendations on what I should update, what I shouldn't update, things I should hold back on. And then it sends it to' to all of my different bots via OpenBot so everybody knows where everybody is. Speaker 1: That's amazing, man. It sounds like you got tight integration and the key to everything you're saying is just report individual sources, have it go between each one of the sources and tell you why it's important, important to you and protect you and those kinds of things. Well, man. Speaker 3: And I learned a shit ton of stuff by doing it that way. That's amazing. Speaker 1: Well, thanks for dropping by every every week and we love hearing how you're doing, man. Speaker 3: Just two more things, two more things very quickly. Heath, this one's for you. I released an Omarchy theme it's called Clearance. And I did it off the back of you saying that you used to to pilot an F-117 and it's got an F-117 wallpaper in there. So take a look at that. And then, the other thing I released was Signal Tube. It's in my GitHub repo. And it's a way where it sorts out the stuff that that's important to you on YouTube. So if everyone could go and test that if they have the time, I Speaker 4: that you were talking about. On the one hand, I almost feel offended by it, but on the other hand, it's so exciting, and I'll explain that. One of the. That I tend to do naturally, the way my brain is set up, is that I make connections between things. And so one person will tell in a week later, another person will tell me something, and later, somebody else will say something, and then I'll see a connection between those, and kind of orchestrating the connectivity or building a network between different people doing what seems like somewhat related or somewhat disconnected things have threads of connectivity. And that's always kind of been a specialty of mine. And so I've been able to connect small communities of people together in ways that they may never have interacted or technologies. And so on the one hand, I'm like, I'm gonna What really occurs to me is that there's so much information and it's coming at us. so fast and from all different directions, there is no way that my brain could keep up up with that. Speaker 4: And so this concept of having having technology be able to reach out into areas that we could never find on our own. We just don't have the time and the capacity and bringing that to us and then connecting that with what you were saying, Fred, in summarizing and bringing it to you as you need it is just. just brilliant. And so I love that concept. Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think of it in two terms, like one is the structure of the newspaper. And then I think of it as plugins. Like I didn't want, I did not want my Tom tracker that tracks all the people that I want to follow on X that are doing incredible things. I did not want that as a section. I want that as an integration. Like if you're reporting on a story, see what Tom has to say about it. If you're, you know, reporting on this, I think we all see our different similarities. I think Lee was talking about a way that he integrates. Speaker 1: I know that Heath is talking about the way he integrates, but I think of it in terms of news reporting sections and each of those sections are a differentbot. And then blend the sections together. Don't just go one, two, three, four. How do they relate? And then an integration to me is, what are these people that I follow, what do they think about this? So you've kind of got meta on on X, feed your newspaper to have, I mean, it's just like, where do you stop? Where do we stop? I don't know. I'm going a little bit crazy here. Speaker 4: I definitely understand that. I just want to take a second want to talk about the project Speaker 2: around with the built-in console I guess that's coming up probably in RC 4.5 I know that Fred had mentioned that earlier today I'm on like the edge branch I believe so yeah I mean it's already kind of there I've been playing with that I have it bound super grave some people call that tilde and I was able to just last night I was messing around and so my Omarchy specific is, um, you know, I'm using the, the X stack for the AI, the SI, but, uh, I have. Gro Speaker 1: Are you talking about the dropdown? Like my mind is I don't even I can't even understand what you're describing like break it down for me. Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So the drop down that comes from the top of the quick terminal, quick terminal. Yes. Okay. Yeah, the quake terminal. and ask it questions and really where build shines, like Grok build shines is like working with the desktop. You know, I can tell it, hey, create purple borders for my window or whatever. and it just kind of cooks in the background. I can just, you know, minimize the terminal again or make it disappear. So I just wanted to throw that one out there. endangered. Speaker 1: What is Grok build? Not Grok bot, Grok build must be something else. Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you go onto your console, if you just open up Foot or Kitty or whatever it is that you use for a terminal. Speaker 1: Okay, I'm there. Speaker 2: You should be able to type grok. If it's not there, Oh. You should be able to open up your spotlight. And then just type And then just type Grok and I think it will install it just it's the Grok command line. Okay, so it's like code or codex but just for Grok. Exactly. And if you already have this subscription, it pulls from the same usage. And I really like it for low level stuff like hardware stuff. Now, if I'm in Grok build, can I call on a Grok bot? That's a good question. I haven't messed with that. Speaker 2: that might be. I like so it's interesting. It went from Claude Speaker 1: Code, to now grokbot and now I'd like to have grok build manage grok bot manage Larry manage Claude Code and that's a joke. So let's maybe able to we got grok bot managing grok. Wait, grok build managing grok bot. A server on herder in a project file named in a project file on Claude Code, Speaker 2: we just want to lay it. This is ridiculous. Yeah. Speaker 1: You know what? Something's going to be on top of it next week. I'm telling you. Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you can call Build from Bot, no problem. But I was going to say say, so Grokbot Speaker 1: Pages has been blowing my mind lately. They're like these little dashboards that you can create. Sunday evening. So tell me what I'm doing tonight, Tim. Speaker 2: Okay. So pages. So tell one of your bots, tell one of your Grok bots say, Hey, give It'll be like, here you go. Here's a bunch of posts that you posted. Or you could say, refine? Refine which posts are most popular or which posts got the most engagement. Something like I haven't really said this, but I work for an MSP. My job is IT slash security. We support some government clients these days. So lately I've been doing some CMMC stuff. stuff so like he's neck the woods and one of the things that I'm getting off track. I'm going to try and like loop myself back to where I was going but one of the things that I do with work is like we use our RMM right we manage thousands of computers so you need to have a single pane of glass to be able to devices you know like this company uses you know these computers this company uses you know, these workstations. So what I've been doing with Grokbot on my own personal thing is I created like an RMM client to where Gro. Bot is the agent it any computer that Gro installed on is now back doored if you will or it is it has an agent installed on it. So if that machine is powered on my central dispatch bot or any chat, I can access it through Grokbot and I can tell it to, hey, reach out to this workstation. do commands on it, do whatever, like perform an update on this server over here, right? And I'm able to have visibility on all of those workstations in pages. So I say, hey pages, create a page for me that lists out the hosts, I want the host name, I want the IP address, I want the patch status, I want all of these metrics that you would expect from a good remote management tool, and pages can do it. And right now- Oh no, please, I'm more interested in what you gotta say. I was gonna say right with five posts that are within my wheelhouse, like my subject matter expert wheelhouse, things that I can actually speak about and have expertise in, suggest them to me, create a sample post format, 280 characters, whatever, links, and then present them to me. I'll review them with a bot and then we'll just, and it's I'm kind of messing with the pages, right? and then web hooks. So the way that I get those, the way that I get the workstations to ping back to the mothership so to speak. is called webhooks. So pages themselves aren't necessarily gonna do that, but I'm able to, I was able to set up a webhook. And so you'll have to look at webhook and pages and you can even probably just ask Grok like, hey, give me some ideas for webhooks and pages and let's build something. Speaker 1: So, let me ask you a few questions about the scale So So, of course, Grokbot is not going to 100,000 computers that you manage. Grokbot must be managing something that's sending out controls to that. So Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, sort of in some ways, like, Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying? Grokbot can't manage 100,000 Yeah. Speaker 2: And that's kind of it is like, that's kind of been the thing too, is like if I can do like MVP a working product and get it to function in pages and have it all like drafted up and stuff like that and have the functionality. I should be able to say like, hey, go write this for me in such and such language, go write this in whatever. And my idea is that like somebody mentioned earlier in the chat, AI is going to replace my job. Well, yeah, of course it is. Right. And so it's like. My daily job, I, I'm just like, this is so stupid. Speaker 2: Why are we doing this way, this way? Like if I had Grokbot, I would already have, I'm kind of like automating myself out of a job in some ways. And that's kind of my idea. my whole idea is like, if you have these agents out there installed on different workstations and they're smart enough, you should be able to, Oh, and that's the other thing. So I have a dashboard of all my bots. So, so this all integrates. So I have like 30, 30 bots, right? So I have my dispatch bot. So I can tell my dispatch dispatch bot and say, hey, look and create a light RMM for people that don't wanna hire an MSP or an MSSP. And just have something for like your 10 or 12 device, small businesses. Speaker 6: Hey Fred, Fred, I hate to jump in on Tim. Tim, you and I have got to talk. Fred, you are part of that project. Remember that? Tim I have a similar governmental governmental problem, right, is that we call them air-gapped data holes, right, is that things that need to be able to operate in, man, you and I are like It's crazy. Sorry. I had to jump in there. You and I got to link up. Speaker 2: Let's link up. Yeah, we'll get that going. I'm going to yield the mic. I took up plenty of y'all's time but yeah the main takeaway from, what I said, is pages and webhooks if in Omarchy. Speaker 1: Tim N, and getting to know each other, literally that's the whole point of this entire thing. This is- This is- Speaker 6: Hey Fred, one more thing. I wanted to give everybody the cheat code that I kind of told you about is, remember the training thing that we talked about, the ACM thing? I do. So this is a cheat code for everybody. If you don't know how, If you guys all remember the O'Reilly tech books. Oh yeah. They were just the thing, the subscription to have. But then that stuff got ridiculously expensive. I want to say it's like $ a year just for you to buy a subscription to O'Reilly tech books. Here's the cheat code. Join an organization called the ACM, Alpha Charlie Mike the Association for Computing Machinery. Speaker 6: It's $99 $99 a year and you have to add $75 on. And that, so for $175 a year, you get, when I say unlimited access to the O'Reilly books, I mean it's unlimited. And then the cheat code is what I what I told Fred that I do is you can actually see the books as they're being written. So I kind of showed Fred the other day. I'm looking at books that they aren't going to even be published until 2027. And part of that gives me this edge up in the in the world and the community. But I always want to give back. ack. Speaker 6: Go'sign up for the ACM. You'll get more out of it than not really. And it costs you not a failure. And yeah. And then so the other is, is that you get access to an old school thing from a training perspective called Percipio. It's where you can go get search like and it's included. Like you can take the you can take these courses, these tests, and you can go get your CompTIA's and you and you can go get your Cisco stuff and your DevOps Institute pieces and it's all included for $99 for the membership and $75 for the training add on and it's Speaker 1: it's a cheat code man. Go everybody go sign up coupon code bread mix. No, just kidding. Just we're not affiliated whatsoever. telling you something that is actually really worth your time and how to get cert Speaker 6: We don't get paid by it. We're not affiliated. Nope. Really. I've been a member for 25 years and that's it I don't get any special, you know for signing people up none of that It's just one of those things you got to do to help increase yourself Moving forward. You know, I got a drop. Thanks everybody. All right back over to you Cole Speaker 4: Wow, that's incredible. That's a an insane discount we'll say on on a vast body of work, but infinitely One., One of them instead. Speaker 4: is just a, it's similar to JSON, but it's a token optimized object notation. And it's just, it gets rid of some of the things in JSON that models do not need. So models don't need you to have a repetitive tag for the same data from one object to the next, to the next in an array. So you can just declare at the top what your object contains and in the order that it contains and items in your array and it just knows the label for each piece of data in each object and it ends up saving you know at least 15 percent. The larger the data set the more the savings. Speaker 4: Gotcha. Yeah and but there's other tools that I, the team build so GitHub already has a command line tool. But GitLab, I use GitLab as well. GitLab, at least I don't have the GitLab command line tool, if they have one, I haven't looked. But I wanted the team to build custom tools based on the things that the orchestrator was doing on a regular basis. And I think this is kind of what Heath was getting at and what Tim was getting at and potentially others. It's like, okay, you have this bot network that's going and doing all of this stuff. everything that they do on a repetitive basis, I want you to go and that- that will optimize the queries and the responses that you're doing to gather the information that I've asked you to gather. And, you know, relatively quickly, you're going to start saving, every day you're going to start saving, you know, 10, 15, 20% tokens on those things that you're doing. Speaker 1: There's a lot here. Speaker 4: back it up, back up the knowledge to an external source just in case. Speaker 1: How do you go about doing that? Do you tell it to do that and trust that it's or what are you, is it taking those the files on each of the bots computers? Speaker 4: The bots know where to store because their system prompt tells them to create a file or a series of a folder with a series of markdown files or or other data files, like I'm having it build actual programs. And so it knows about its own storage. And I, initially what I did is I just set it up with my Google connection. And when I said, I want to make a- Google Drive? Speaker 1: I said, what's that? And so, sorry to interrupt you. You're saying that, I just have Grokbot installed. So are you telling me that I need to go into Grokbot, create a connector to my Google Drive, Then go to my chief of staff and say, all bots must save all of their files to this folder on my Google Drive. Speaker 4: Yeah, so I just set it up to say, every night at midnight, just do a backup of your current data files to Google Drive. And then I can go to my Google Drive app, and I can see all my Google, Google Drive app, Speaker 1: and I can see all my files, new folders and files. OK, so we've gone one way. you completely what happens what would have to happen for Speaker 4: noticed in the Grokbot app at one point, and it may may have disappeared, but they had a button that you could say upgrade the Grokbot computer. And I thought, well, surely it's going to keep all the files. And I hit that and boom, everything was gone. The bots knew their system prompt, but they lost the conversation history that they had been keeping in those markdown files. And I thought, well, you know, okay, that must have been a system glitch, right? And so I went another couple of weeks and then SpaceX A, I pushed out an update to Grokbot and it did it again. and I thought, well, okay, that's the last time. Like fool me once, you know, you're a fool, fool me twice, I'm a fool. And so that was when I set up the backup. Speaker 1: So that backs up the files in the bot- does that file set include like the bot's icon and the system prompt for that bot? Where do you save? Speaker 4: No, I haven't actually dug into that level yet. I want to. But what it did is it named the folder that it put all of its files on in my Google Drive. It named it with the bot's name. And so if they get wiped out. then I can just say, hey, previously in a previous life, you know, you saved type of information. But I'll tell you, it was not just a few text files. It was, in some cases, hundreds of K to megabytes, but I had them building some software as well on their machine, so Speaker 1: some of that might be the disk allocation. That makes sense. Now, are you using like Codex or Claude Speaker 4: or Claude Code below Grokbot? I am not on the Grokbot machines. At least I told them to do that. I just just use a grock account so they would have to use grok build but I think they're downloading, you know, compilers and things like that as needed Speaker 1: Just just the grok bot. I got you brother. All right. Well, why don't Speaker 4: You might be on Speaker 8: Yeah, sorry about that. Hi everyone. Speaker 1: Sounds good. Speaker 8: Cool. So this week, let's see, I actually, because I've been dual booting with Windows and Omarchy for well basically using Omarchy, not actually going into Windows. So I've been using mainly Omarchy and then decided to wipe everything. So terabyte drive, which was split with Windows of 600 gigs and the rest to Omarchy. I couldn't grab any more from Windows to increase Omarchy because you have to go boot with USB and do a whole disk reorganization. So I was like, a bugger. So I did an update. And then basically when I actually installed Omarchy the first time, I was trying to get DaVinci Resolve working all these things. I started at like all my installed apps, plugins and everything like that. So I had a file with all this information. So when I booted, when I did the wipe and installed RC, was it 4.5, what's it version two now I think. But anyway, so I fed it back the file and it basically put my computer back to what it was. And then obviously I had a backup of my original Omarchy Windows somewhere else, but it's pretty crazy. If you just start like recording what you're doing on your computer, you can basically have it back up as it was. just by feeding AI the text file of how you did it, and what apps there were, and plugins, and keyboard layout, screen layout, you know, the whole lot. It's Speaker 1: all you there. Yeah, I think we might have lost. Speaker 4: No, sorry. Just. I'm still here. I've heard, I think I've heard you mentioned Da Da Vinci-Resolve a couple times. Could you just give me a summary of what that is. you know, how, how, you're talking about being able to restore back to where you were. Um, um. And, and, and, that people, uh, the people that I, that I with on a regular basis outside of X. Let me put it I don't think people quite realize how dependent we have become on a realize how changes the game entirely because I now view every machine that I touch as a portal into my information. My information is outside the machine. I back everything up. and the machine is just a portal. And so I can wipe a hard drive, grab a new machine and go with it. How are you viewing that differently now compared-to maybe how you may have operated just even just a few months Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I mean it's totally different, right? Say on Windows, if you had to re-install, you're gonna be clicking through, I mean, you could use PowerShell, but it's pointless because there's so much work. So people should actually think about their main machine. If your machine had to die right now, how would you know what was on there, what plugins, I guess you. You could go back to your chats and like, had a bot that just fills the file up for you as you say, install a fresh new machine. That's basically your restore point for a perfect machine. Speaker 8: You could use a backup, but what I've installed so many plugins and stuff on the old, like the 60 days of using the version 4.. The CPU is going and the GPU is going when I'm opening, you know, IDEs and all that stuff. So on the new install, I'm like, okay, I'm going to, because the install file, I can kind of like just point to a section and it say, okay, while install these apps, skip this, do my screen, all that, it doesn't actually just push everything at once. So it's kind of controlled in a way too. Speaker 8: Either this version is much faster or I just had way too much shit running on the old Omarchy and then also because I have I have Hermes on a gateway so I don't actually connects through SSH to my actual dev machine So everything was as it was I just installed Hermes and then connected to the gateway and I had all my chats and history and you know everything was And then all the files I just kind of pulled from my backup the ones I needed fast computer really without all the shit like running on the actual dev machine. So I'd kind of use another computer to do the workloads and stuff. Like GitHub projects and all that kind of stuff. And then yeah, so during time as well, I've also put some skill files on a repository so I can, because I don't use just anyone's skills, I create my own and then I have another agent that kind of updates that skill. So, I want to see the changes so I can go back and stuff. So, I've got skills kind of, what do you call it? It's not hyperlinked, but it's just word for it. Anyway, it's linked to a different folder and it reads the skills skills that way and stuff. So, because our background is in infrastructure and redundancy and all that, so kind of that's I'll make sure everything can like if you took my laptop away from me today I'd probably be able to get it up and running within, if it gave me a new one I wouldn't have to worry about stuff going missing and all that kind of stuff. So I would say that's a good thing. Speaker 4: I need to do regardless of what machine and where I'm at, you know, as long as I have connectivity. And that has shifted tremendously. And all of these things are getting to be just prompts that you can feed into your network. So, you know, I look at the future very differently than I used who are still kind of, you know, maybe from earlier 2026, you know, or maybe 2025 kind of thinking is is kind said is being able to then just adapt to things that happen. If from that perspective, I know you've got a ton of stuff running your bot network and things like that. Where are you with this concept of like if something catastrophic were to happen with your existing bot network, do you feel prepared with being able to restore things and get things back or is that something you're concerned with? Speaker 1: That's not something I worry about whatsoever. I'm an infrastructure without trade. Number one, the way that Larry works is that he has a private repo. and every night he pushes pushes up to the repo, no secrets or things like that that. But the way that I have Larry working is instead of keeping a global conversation or just right there in the home directory, I put a symlink in so that all of the Claude Code stored in the project directory itself. Then that project directory is a GitHub repo. Then when it commits, here's a secret that a lot of people don't know. When you do a commit and you say, here's the commit updated graphic on web page. That little comment can be paragraphs and paragraphs. Speaker 1: of Claude Claude Code for me, when he commits up to save himself, it's kind of a backup kind of a database, he about something in another project, enegger he knows the first place he looks is on local disk. The next place is he does a grep on that project to see if he's optimized to do recall. Because all of our harnesses and all of our Codex, and we all create these eyes, they all have perfect memory. The trick is how you get them to recall the right information at the right time for the right project, for the right everything else. I can lose my machine. It I don't even think about the backups. It pushes up to an estuary bucket. Speaker 1: My entire mixed thread world is probably $19 a month for everything. If I had to restore, I think the egress is a little bit more expensive, but for 19 bucks, up to back lays up to a bucket is is a very simple thing for me. Each of my applications live on a machine that's automatically pushed up., so I've got Larry backed up, I am in storage. Used to have terabytes and terabytes and ter. Now I have nothing. And I like it. Speaker 4: Wow, that's amazing. Speaker 1: Hey, I've got to go help a family member and I hope I can be back. but if I can't, I wish everybody a great Sunday. No emergency, but it's something that's important to me and my family, and I'm gonna put you on mute. If I don't come back, I wish everybody a happy Sunday. Speaker 4: Awesome, Fred. Thank you so much. Cheers, Fred. Cheers, everybody. I completely understand. I'll tell you that, you know, just thinking about, $20 a month, you know, the cost of things in some ways is just dropping or the capabilities expanding and the cost is not.. And, you know, I hope we see that spread beyond technology as well. But it's just amazing. I was thinking though, DevSec, you probably have a little bit of source code here and there. How are you sleeping at night? Obviously, you're using source control, but with everything that you've got going on, how are you dealing with that and what's the latest on your project? Speaker 5: Yeah. Hey A few things. Yeah, GitHub how you commit likeable is up, but I am posting nuggets here and there and below materials and everything will also get written up in about put out, there is no completely open source. And but one thing that I've never you know, I've never anticipated as how much goes into building a tablet. Speaker 5: There's so much much goes into that. And it also bringing up, with the different chipsets, bringing all the graphic acceleration and everything else. That becomes that that's challenging, right? But it was a, you know, we're getting somewhere. But when this is done, it will be a really good testament to the community for what you can do. And your tablet, and then at one point your tablet and your large desktop will be able to sync with each and do these remarkable things. So that's going on. But I, I did want to share one thing with you, you guys, which is the Grokbot Workplug. Yeah. Speaker 4: Hold that thought for just one second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've been noticing my feed has been filling more and more and more working on hardware, working on bringing Omarchy to hardware. And I'm just thinking that we should probably do a space with that kind of as a theme. And so if you know people and I'm talking to everyone in the in the space after it's recorded. If you know somebody that's working on something like this, I'm kind of interested to hear the experience because it's. there are some aspects to it that is very different than just having a machine that you write an application, you run the application, it Speaker 5: very interesting and there are a couple of people I know that here that are actually doing, you know, phones and other stuff as well. It would it would be it would be good to get everybody's, you know, the takeaway on things of how they're doing it. But yes, there is a lot going on, right on right? And the most frustrating part is, is the the custom drivers, the drivers is because you know, some chipsets, you know, you will be able to you will be able to just run it and be done with it and everything will work. But what's happening right now is a, lot of the tablet manufacturers, a lot of the the device manufacturers in general, what they do is they're starting to limit how much you can access to that chipset. Speaker 5: So the challenge with that is that it creates this bottleneck of, well, this is the device that I bought for Tinkr with it. But on the other side, you look at it is. There is that trusted execution environment, right, that you need, you know, these device companies have to adhere to. Like Snapdragon has a very, strict rules about stuff like that, of what you can do. And this is why the American versions of tablets and such, it's very difficult to do a bootloader on lock is because of the terms and conditions that this chip manufacturers put on them. So that reverse engineering and open sourcing of the driver and stuff like that is where it becomes really complicated. But happy to share some thoughts into projects going on right now simultaneously, and all of them are going to come to the community. But I do want to, well, I kind of wanted to share a workflow with you guys that I do with Grokbot that. That I actually think it's going to be very good that that can help you guys is What I do is with Grokbot is I have my chief of staff on the Grokbot side right. and that person is basically the orchestrator. That bot is is the orchestrator. Then what I do is I go to Google Drive. you guys can do this and it's very effective. Speaker 5: Create one folder called Agent Inbox, and I'll do a write-up on this too. In that Agent Inbox, what you do is you put all the different different model providers that you work with. Duet, Codex, on and on and on. So then what you do is you go, you instruct every those agents for once that to monitor their respective folders for MD files, right? Or files coming in, in general. Then what I do is, then what I do is I go to my orchestrator, which is Grokbot, and I'm trying to get a brainstorming going on with all these different models about a or a research that I'm trying to do, can you help me with this? So essentially, I'll give them the instructions, and I say, write the instructions, and send it to Duet, dot, codex, whoever else. So what, what Grokbot does is it creates an MD file and drops into the similar to the Google Drive, Google Drive folders of the respective they automatically do it and, MUSE and all these guys will pick up and pick up the MD file, read the instructions and carry out their research. Then what happens is once they're done, they put that into a completed folder. Then Grokbot brainstorming of infinite amounts of models without spending, you know, crazy money on tools and stuff like that. Because essentially what happens is let's say you have three models that you need, all you need is a Google drive, set up your Google drive, give them access to their respective folders, have an orchestrator drop the file in there. And the next thing you know, everybody's brainstorming with everybody else. Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a concept that came up with my human team at my employer just this last week is talking about token, not token efficiency, sorry, talking about model, I don't want to say bias because that tends to put a negative spin on it, but model development where, you know, different models, even just switching the reasoning level, dramatically changes their personality, you could say. And I truly think that, and I'll tell you, I think there was this Singularity.net, which has been around for, I don't services and then a because of their training, whether it will probably see less focus on general purpose and a little bit more focus on here's some general purpose but here's some more customized, you know. frontier-level AI that you can then have multiple things looking at the same project. And I think that's going to be incredibly powerful. So, yeah, I really appreciate that perspective. And the thing is, you know, you amaze me because you've you've got all these projects going on. But then I look down the list of people that have spoken today and people that I see posting. Speaker 4: there's just so much potential that I think everybody's working on lots of different things. So we only have a couple more minutes that all need to be going, but- Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm back, I wanna Speaker 4: I think you wanted to come back up and had potentially another topic. So take it away and let's see where we go with this. Speaker 3: Actually, I hit the request button by accident, I'm sorry. Speaker 4: Oh, no worries at all. I just wanted to make sure that you had an opportunity. But I mean, this has been an incredible space and I did something a little bit different. I did have more people stay up on stage in case there was a need for, let's say, some crosstalk. And so, Speaker 1: what did that feel like? Speaker 4: Yeah, that has helped out in because, you know, by the time you and then somebody else starts speaking and then you're like, oh, if I could just comment on that. Yeah. So Speaker 1: . I think it was great. It's just a fact. Maybe that's why you're here. You got Speaker 4: all the big ideas. So great. Fred, I'm glad you're back. And I think unless somebody throws their hand up right now, I think we've I think we're good. We've run the course. Yeah Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we missed this again again. Hopefully he'll be back in that his so you know, his two cents and we miss him. Wish him well. Thank you for being here, Joe. You're like a colleague friend now. It's amazing amazing what this Omarchy community community has put together, put so many people together and we really appreciate the superstar listeners out there and the participation by so many people. We've got regulars now. I feel like we've got a little bit of momentum and it's all about people learning. Speaker 1: That's it. So as we say every week, help an old lady across the street. When you get her over there, put Omarchy on her laptop. Thanks, Joe. Thank you. Speaker 4: Thanks everyone. I really appreciate it. Bye bye.