Speaker 1: Hey, all three of you guys. Thank you for coming. We had some major problems. Wes is normally the host, and so he puts it out there. Everybody hits remember and remind me. having some pretty bad technical difficulties, unfortunately, like we always do sometimes. And so I started it, so I've tickled that the six of you found it. And we are going to do a show, and it might just be for a few of us. So stick around, and please apologize for the for the lack of preparation or whatever, or the lack of the connection. So hang on, Just one second if anybody would like to come and join me so that I'm not just sitting here running my mouth and being boring I asked to speak and let's chat about your week. Boom. Who is it? All right, Catherine what's going on? How'd they have the newsletter go this week?
Speaker 1: Look at there. It's not promoting her So weird they said they fixed us are you there? Sorry. All right. Well, give us give us the 22nd update on how this week went for you with the newsletter
Speaker 3: Okay, really well. The Tuesday edition coming out this week is going to be the best yet. And it promotes Sunday builders club as well as well.
Speaker 1: That's kind of it. I love it. Well, we look forward to reading it and can't wait to get to get my hands on that. So thanks for all you do for the community. I look forward to getting those stickers from you.
Speaker 3: Super. Yeah, you should have them- I don't know what-
Speaker 1: I've never checked the mails too far away. I'll get to it.
Speaker 3: Okay. I understand that. I have to arrive in 20 minutes to get mine.
Speaker 1: All right. Take it easy. Sure. Let me do some housekeeping here. There's called the construct. Let me pull him in. Hey, Cole. Did you get? Okay, so let's just jump real fast and thanks for everybody being here. I want to run through the stories we're going to talk about once all of the gang gets here. We saw that Omarchy 4.5 RC. RC2 is out, so Final Edition hadn't dropped. I was hoping that Hank or might drop by. He got promoted and is now one of the four founding staff. More-howers to come, says DHH.
Speaker 1: And there's a bunch more stories that we can talk about this week. As my compadres, have they joined yet? Guys are you you on Sorry everybody, they're seeing how the sausage is made for sure. You're either laughing or frustrated, one or the other. It's awesome. Hey, hey, Sam. Oh man, you saved me. You saved me.
Speaker 4: All right. Yeah, I tried to join from two different machines and, and it blocked me on the one with. Of course you did.
Speaker 5: Well, hey
Speaker 1: hey, um, could you kind of run down there? Try to hear my voice kind of run down what happened and why we're so late and the complete kerfuffle.
Speaker 4: Yeah a sounds like it might have been connecting through Tailscale and then when he tried to to turn that off then the space dropped so yeah I'm gonna have a little bit of like tail
Speaker 1: scale for me I usually forget about it I don't know about you guys but like it's so good that it just disappears and a couple issues this week with some of my machines MagicDNS not working so I wonder did I do something stupid or does my experience this week coupled with with Wes is there something going on with the DNS? Because I had to go into a couple of my machines and reassign Tailscale's quad 100. So I don't know if that was something I did, something that one of my agents did or something, Tailscale a problem with.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear if anybody else had a problem with.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure about that I did have some times where it just disconnected and I had to go manually reconnect. So not sure.
Speaker 1: Yes, that happened to me twice too. So that's commonality there and that's where we saw Well, we're wrong maybe. In this case, that's why I love Omarchy AI so much. It's like when you're in control of it and it is a problem, the only distance between you and fixing it is your voice.
Speaker 1: Apparently, cold doesn't have one. So what I'm talking about is, So we have, I was so passionate about Macintosh, like even four months ago. Like how fight you, you talk about it. I have not used Windows professionally or as a personal machine since Windows 95. I have used it in virtual machines.
Speaker 1: subconsciously ignoring things that I I knew that I just didn't have control over. And I'm not talking about like how it looks because I'm I'm I guess that's That right there is an example of why it was okay I was, I liked it. I didn't think it was amazing, but it never occurred to me that I could radically change it. That's an example of how Omarchy with AI has completely blown away, not just the fact that I can, but there was a mind limitation that I had that I just accepted it as 80 percent. I just accepted it.
Speaker 1: Real quick, I want to talk about something that I've come up figured out tonight at Grokbot. I know a lot of you are using Grokbots. One of the things that I figured out was, I was joking around with Tom Ballard, just back and forth in the comments as I like to do. I hope I'm interacting with all of you.
Speaker 1: Put this on the list. I know that probably if you're using Grokbot, everybody's doing that and that's cool. The only way that my dumb brain learns is I build on one little idea and go, if it can do that, can it do this? When he said, but remember this article, I want to come back to it, put it on my reading list and I. That's cool. That's a good use. That's interesting. Then it occurred to me, I like lifting people up and think it's fun. What I did it was, I said, I commented on that and I like to make it ridiculous, for Tom, Thank you. So then again, my brain goes, how Give me the news on. So the next upgrade or the next uplift is to start telling it to merge those things. And instead of making it static with those topics, make each of your Gro that I work on on and I pay attention to. So instead of having static subjects in your newspaper, tell the newspaper to do all those things, but then also go get as a source those other Grokbots and tell those bots bots to write their newspaper or whatever in an MD Then, and then it occurred to me, that's why I'm here. The Tom Tracker thing, like that is pretty much the definition or in my mind, the highest level purpose of Grokbot is the Tom Tracker. It's funny to me that I had this epiphany. Tom showed me how to make it do do stuff. So the point of this is that if that's the highest thing, then I want my newspaper to use all of the bots as a source, but then as and that's the structure, but the integration or the theme now of the newspaper is through the lens of the Tom tracker tracker and what those people are talking about. So don't give me the news about AI. Give me the news about AI. Give me the news about AI and integrate what the Tom Tracker, all the people that I pay attention to, have said, done, what they care about, bring it all together so that the newspaper is no longer topics the newspaper is now Grokbot outsourced of very specific tasks.
Speaker 1: Bring those, tell your newspaper to not just report each one of them, but why do they matter together? Like bring it all together. there's two pieces one is all of the other bots one is the the tom tracker bot and and then the other is is that they all like i don't want you to report sections why does this one attached to that one And the last most important piece, and then I'm gonna give it over to somebody else and thank you for, listening to this. The last important piece is that you can also drop in.
Speaker 1: I've just posted and this is an advertisement. I truly want to teach you. I just posted this whole thing into a post. All you have to do if you've got it set up, is to go add Grokbot as comment. Now, if you've Great. What happens is that news bot just got a job. That now feeds an upper layer reporting system that tells you what the people you care about, and whoever those people are, follow them. I don't even care if it's outside of Omarchy and AI. If it if it's a turtle raising, like make it that.
Speaker 1: So any topic, your now your thing is, the people that I care about mixed with the topics that I care about, what they're doing real time, and for me to add that skill or to have my Grokbot paper follow them, all I have to do is tag Grokbot. I hope this. This makes sense. I hope it helps you. If I'm doing it wrong, like let me know if I can take that up, like my brain's pretty much at the top level. And now I talked to you about how each feature builds each feature. If you can take this higher, Back over to you, Colb. Can you speak now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, actually while you're reading your messages I'll respond to that because I think what I think you're like six months ahead of me. Maybe maybe a year Which you know, I know it's all relative right but of course
Speaker 1: Man, it's not there's no comparison here, right? So that's what's cool about this industry like there that's why I'm telling people this because Tom taught me to do it So now I'm teaching others. I'm not smarter. I just learned this 25 minutes ago
Speaker 6: Yeah. Right, exactly.
Speaker 4: So yeah, go ahead and bring me up to co-host, if you don't mind.
Speaker 1: The thing is, no worries.
Speaker 4: What's been fascinating is I took a similar approach, but like I said, you're way ahead. Ahead of me. One of the first things I did of course, chief of staff is there. I mean, initially at least everybody started out with that. But after I set up a couple dedicated to GitHub reviews, reviewing what going on on the projects on GitHub, that I'm interested in. And then, you know, I set one up to watch the Omarchy Discord because, I mean, there's so much going on there. Um, and, and then I said, well, you know, what I really need is a personal assistant.
Speaker 4: And my personal assistant was intended and, and works really well for this. I can give it. here's what I ate today, here's the activity that I did today and I'm and go out and check. The weather forecast and plan out my schedule because I'm terrible with calendar. I kind of hate calendars. And so anyway, I got that set up and I liked that the personal assistant could kind of forecast things for me and kind of organize my But what I've really been missing is a roll up of what's going on. And that, you know, what you're talking talking about there is just a level above organization. And, you know, we're just beginning to tap into this. I'll, I'll tell you though, it it's become such an important thing for me that I had, I connected it to a disk storage technology. And then I told all of the bots to back up their data files on a regular a basis because you know, if something you know, if something happens, I want to be able to get back to it, how integrated it has become in my daily routine.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That's amazing. JK's brother, what's up, man? Thanks for joining. You're one of my heroes, man.
Speaker 7: Thanks. Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we hear you great. The floor is yours, man.
Speaker 7: What do you got to say?
Speaker 7: Yeah, what are you talking about? I just started with Grokbot last week, so I'm completely new in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well, man. I mean, you do so many amazing things, man. Like, it doesn't have to be Grokbot focused on. I think we've got enough Gro Grokbot. Like, tell. Something different that we're missing or something that you're working on, because you're always Like you crank out the craziest amount of stuff and I don't know how you do it because I'm Like I I'm at 120% and you're running circles around me
Speaker 7: Thank you Yeah, so last week I I um discovered a herder The the new mac app, that's something i'm really excited about right now stash already
Speaker 1: Oh, I used so my macintosh has really become a client over to my machine So I start Herder over on my server and then I SSH over so that's not really using Herder on my Mac On my Mac, I really use more Orca because it's why I skip the visuals But I don't really do much on my Mac because when I go into Herder or when I go into Orca on my Mac I just like to go to my server anyway, so
Speaker 7: Did you see that they released a native app?
Speaker 1: I did not so please I want to you know, you learn something for you every time man. What's the new thing?
Speaker 7: So I've been... I started using Omarchy like two years ago and then I first I was using tmux. And then I started using Herder, which is kind of the same, but it's the default in a market right now. Yeah. And I've been using that for a while. So what it does, it can keep your app, which connects to the Herder server. And the cool thing about this native So it's just as flexible as Omarchy is.
Speaker 1: How does that help your workflow? Are you combining that with Tailscale, with other things, and kind of mixing together to be able to continue working no matter where you are? no matter where you are.
Speaker 7: And the cool thing is that what I'm doing right now is like, I'm you can see all the details and you can completely customize how you work with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I see you're not just talking about in the terminal, you're talking like a brew command, you're talking about, because I'm looking at your post from yesterday. Twelve hours, I'm already hooked on the new Herder app, What's flexible. What's flexible about it for you? Where do I find it man?
Speaker 7: Herder.dev is their website. Okay. When I say flexible, I mean that the same as Omarchy is it's really bendable so you can just open Claude Code and say I want this background and then your background changes. And that's the same for this Herder app. So you open Herder and you say I want the side panel with all my GitHub issues and then it's five-. minutes later, boom, you have it. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: What other, so that's something that you found. What's something that you made? I use your message recorder every single day, man. Oh yeah.
Speaker 7: I, last week I closed a couple of issues from the meeting recorder. And what else did I do? I made like a silly project. the Tamagotchis.
Speaker 1: What's the matter?
Speaker 7: It's kind of a stupid toy thing. I wanted to see all my agents in Omarchy. So I made like small robots you can see in the corner of your computer. And you can see them working like the paperclip I made before.
Speaker 1: So does that scratch a niche for you or is that something that you just like you got
Speaker 7: to do, something a little Yeah, I think a little bit of both because it scratches an itch because I wanted to see all the time what my agents are doing and what engines are running and which ones ready, even if I'm not I also want it to be fun. Right. That's a little bit of fun.
Speaker 1: I don't want to freak you out, man, but I
Speaker 7: That's also something I made this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got a poster on the wall that says move fast and break things. Yeah. You've got a couple of guitars. Tell us about the guitars.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I played in a punk band when I
Speaker 1: Of course you did. So tell everybody what I'm talking about and how the hell I'm walking around in your office.
Speaker 1: What's his
Speaker 7: name? Wes Bos. Do you know him?
Speaker 1: I do know the name.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's like a kind of famous web developer. developer. He made like a iPhone app recently and a blog post. And he made an iPhone app which uses the the lighter of your phone, so you can scan a room. And then that gives you like a really big zip file, like 400 megabytes or something. And then you can use Claude Code to... to make it nice and 3D for a website. That's what I did.
Speaker 1: I just retweeted it so if anybody wants to go walk around. around Dranky's office and look at the empty Coca Cola bottles on his desk, be my guest.
Speaker 7: No, that's coffee. That's coffee on my desk.
Speaker 1: And you bring Omarchy pins. I think you just ordered 100 of them?
Speaker 7: Yeah,. True. Yeah, that's also. It has been a busy week.
Speaker 1: You know, you've been killing it
Speaker 7: Yeah, I ordered the Omarchy pins, that's true.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course.
Speaker 7: I hope people are going to order them so I don't keep all hundreds here.
Speaker 1: Well, man, I really appreciate dropping by and it's been amazing to have you here. So drop by anytime. We really appreciate it. Mr. Heath.
Speaker 7: Thanks.
Speaker 1: What's going on, brother?
Speaker 8: Hey Fred.
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Yeah, I hear you great. I talked to you on the phone this week. I don't know what you can talk about, but tell us some of the enormous, tell us the scale at what you're working on. You've been on the show a couple of times. I know it's super embarrassing to you. I just got my first GPU of my entire life. I've never even owned a game GPU yesterday. So I'm excited about that. And you'll, you'll be proud that it's an AMD. So.
Speaker 6: Oh, I know man. You sent me that photo or, you know, are you sending it out? And I was like, yeah, I've converted another person.
Speaker 1: You Talk about scale, man.
Speaker 6: Well, first of I have grogbot, I have a Claude duet, I have a Claude schedules, and so one of the things, and I shared some of mine with you, and I shared some of mine with you, right, when we were were talking. And so one of the things that you and I probably didn't talk about is that I have another function. So if you're out there running So if you're out there running, um, Grokbot or Duet or, or any of these things in the schedule, they go out and get you the daily news, right? Like where you were talking.
Speaker 6: So what I do is I take a, I take and I have it create a JSON side of pertinent information. And then I store that in a SQLite file. Um, then part of the reason I do that is because of what I need to constantly do, Fred, I showed you some of my stuff where I'm always looking at performance databases. And so in my, you guys have probably all seen them, you know, VMware benchmarks or the CPU 2017, 20, 26 benchmarks of just, you know, how fast. How fast does the CPU, how fast. How fast does the GPU, whatever it is.
Speaker 6: And so in my world, I need to keep track of all that because as much as CPUs and GPUs and networks and everything change. because I have to respond to a lot of these super big proposals, RFPs I have to keep on top of that. So what I do is I take the output from these new source pieces and I extrapolate them out into a SQL database or SQLite database that is and then that gets parsed into change in my larger database. And so I compare those to be able to constantly feed my system with new information so that when a customer wants an RFP on the latest and greatest, I have it. And I've gone out and I've screen scraped or I've done something. And so that's what I do a lot of times on my scheduled tasks. So instead of just me reading the news, it just kind of goes out and populates a database for me to use in a proposal sense and just gives me all the latest scale wise. Fred, you get to see some of this. still working on a really big system for the Pentagon. And so it's just one of those things where all I ever want anybody in this group to hear from me is not that, hey, I'm doing bigger, better, cooler things than you. I'm not. We're doing different things. I read your posts.
Speaker 1: Fred, she just has more heroes.
Speaker 6: It does. But I'm reading, Fred, I'm read your posts. I'm reading everybody's posts of what they're working on. And it's just inspiration to me because I work on a different scale and that's it. It's again, it's not better. It's just different. And so it's one of those things where part of what I am hoping to do, Fred, you've had a peek behind the curtains, you know, now is, is I want to try to figure out how to figure out how to back more because. Because I've been taken. And so, you know, there's, there's some projects that are coming down the line that I hope to to be able to kind of release to the public. And Fred and I may start working on some stuff that might blow some people's Yeah, anyway, I just wanted to say how I use my new source pieces to build a sidecar of information to kind of feed another database that ultimately helps me out in what the
Speaker 1: So Amazing
Speaker 3: . I interests And so my news. It it come back to me me so many times and said, Yeah, people are having issues and right and the one thing that was sticking out was the B I think it does it for everything if codex does an update and it goes out and searches GitHub and that update says it might mess something up on my PC right it tells me not to install it so so so it pulls in that news right but not only does it do that it will then send it I have many many Codex sessions, but one of them is just for playing around with my PC, right?
Speaker 3: Stuff that's relevant to changing stuff on my Omarchy PC. So, it will also report that specific news story into that specific Codex session. And that Codex session will take it any further and then give me recommendations on what I should update, what I shouldn't update, things I should hold back on. And then it sends it to' to all of my different bots via OpenBot so everybody knows where everybody is.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, man. It sounds like you got tight integration and the key to everything you're saying is just report individual sources, have it go between each one of the sources and tell you why it's important, important to you and protect you and those kinds of things. Well, man.
Speaker 3: And I learned a shit ton of stuff by doing it that way. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for dropping by every every week and we love hearing how you're doing, man.
Speaker 3: Just two more things, two more things very quickly. Heath, this one's for you. I released an Omarchy theme it's called Clearance. And I did it off the back of you saying that you used to to pilot an F-117 and it's got an F-117 wallpaper in there. So take a look at that. And then, the other thing I released was Signal Tube. It's in my GitHub repo. And it's a way where it sorts out the stuff that that's important to you on YouTube. So if everyone could go and test that if they have the time, I
Speaker 4: that you were talking about. On the one hand, I almost feel offended by it, but on the other hand, it's so exciting, and I'll explain that. One of the. That I tend to do naturally, the way my brain is set up, is that I make connections between things. And so one person will tell in a week later, another person will tell me something, and later, somebody else will say something, and then I'll see a connection between those, and kind of orchestrating the connectivity or building a network between different people doing what seems like somewhat related or somewhat disconnected things have threads of connectivity. And that's always kind of been a specialty of mine. And so I've been able to connect small communities of people together in ways that they may never have interacted or technologies. And so on the one hand, I'm like, I'm gonna What really occurs to me is that there's so much information and it's coming at us. so fast and from all different directions, there is no way that my brain could keep up up with that.
Speaker 4: And so this concept of having having technology be able to reach out into areas that we could never find on our own. We just don't have the time and the capacity and bringing that to us and then connecting that with what you were saying, Fred, in summarizing and bringing it to you as you need it is just. just brilliant. And so I love that concept.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think of it in two terms, like one is the structure of the newspaper. And then I think of it as plugins. Like I didn't want, I did not want my Tom tracker that tracks all the people that I want to follow on X that are doing incredible things. I did not want that as a section. I want that as an integration. Like if you're reporting on a story, see what Tom has to say about it. If you're, you know, reporting on this, I think we all see our different similarities. I think Lee was talking about a way that he integrates.
Speaker 1: I know that Heath is talking about the way he integrates, but I think of it in terms of news reporting sections and each of those sections are a differentbot. And then blend the sections together. Don't just go one, two, three, four. How do they relate? And then an integration to me is, what are these people that I follow, what do they think about this? So you've kind of got meta on on X, feed your newspaper to have, I mean, it's just like, where do you stop? Where do we stop? I don't know. I'm going a little bit crazy here.
Speaker 4: I definitely understand that. I just want to take a second want to talk about the project
Speaker 2: around with the built-in console I guess that's coming up probably in RC 4.5 I know that Fred had mentioned that earlier today I'm on like the edge branch I believe so yeah I mean it's already kind of there I've been playing with that I have it bound super grave some people call that tilde and I was able to just last night I was messing around and so my Omarchy specific is, um, you know, I'm using the, the X stack for the AI, the SI, but, uh, I have. Gro
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the dropdown? Like my mind is I don't even I can't even understand what you're describing like break it down for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. So the drop down that comes from the top of the quick terminal, quick terminal. Yes. Okay. Yeah, the quake terminal. and ask it questions and really where build shines, like Grok build shines is like working with the desktop. You know, I can tell it, hey, create purple borders for my window or whatever. and it just kind of cooks in the background. I can just, you know, minimize the terminal again or make it disappear. So I just wanted to throw that one out there. endangered.
Speaker 1: What is Grok build? Not Grok bot, Grok build must be something else.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if you go onto your console, if you just open up Foot or Kitty or whatever it is that you use for a terminal.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm there.
Speaker 2: You should be able to type grok. If it's not there, Oh. You should be able to open up your spotlight. And then just type And then just type Grok and I think it will install it just it's the Grok command line. Okay, so it's like code or codex but just for Grok. Exactly. And if you already have this subscription, it pulls from the same usage. And I really like it for low level stuff like hardware stuff. Now, if I'm in Grok build, can I call on a Grok bot? That's a good question. I haven't messed with that.
Speaker 2: that might be. I like so it's interesting. It went from Claude
Speaker 1: Code, to now grokbot and now I'd like to have grok build manage grok bot manage Larry manage Claude Code and that's a joke. So let's maybe able to we got grok bot managing grok. Wait, grok build managing grok bot. A server on herder in a project file named in a project file on Claude Code,
Speaker 2: we just want to lay it. This is ridiculous. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what? Something's going to be on top of it next week. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you can call Build from Bot, no problem. But I was going to say say, so Grokbot
Speaker 1: Pages has been blowing my mind lately. They're like these little dashboards that you can create. Sunday evening. So tell me what I'm doing tonight, Tim.
Speaker 2: Okay. So pages. So tell one of your bots, tell one of your Grok bots say, Hey, give It'll be like, here you go. Here's a bunch of posts that you posted. Or you could say, refine? Refine which posts are most popular or which posts got the most engagement. Something like I haven't really said this, but I work for an MSP. My job is IT slash security. We support some government clients these days. So lately I've been doing some CMMC stuff. stuff so like he's neck the woods and one of the things that I'm getting off track. I'm going to try and like loop myself back to where I was going but one of the things that I do with work is like we use our RMM right we manage thousands of computers so you need to have a single pane of glass to be able to devices you know like this company uses you know these computers this company uses you know, these workstations. So what I've been doing with Grokbot on my own personal thing is I created like an RMM client to where Gro. Bot is the agent it any computer that Gro installed on is now back doored if you will or it is it has an agent installed on it. So if that machine is powered on my central dispatch bot or any chat, I can access it through Grokbot and I can tell it to, hey, reach out to this workstation. do commands on it, do whatever, like perform an update on this server over here, right? And I'm able to have visibility on all of those workstations in pages. So I say, hey pages, create a page for me that lists out the hosts, I want the host name, I want the IP address, I want the patch status, I want all of these metrics that you would expect from a good remote management tool, and pages can do it. And right now- Oh no, please, I'm more interested in what you gotta say. I was gonna say right with five posts that are within my wheelhouse, like my subject matter expert wheelhouse, things that I can actually speak about and have expertise in, suggest them to me, create a sample post format, 280 characters, whatever, links, and then present them to me. I'll review them with a bot and then we'll just, and it's I'm kind of messing with the pages, right? and then web hooks. So the way that I get those, the way that I get the workstations to ping back to the mothership so to speak. is called webhooks. So pages themselves aren't necessarily gonna do that, but I'm able to, I was able to set up a webhook. And so you'll have to look at webhook and pages and you can even probably just ask Grok like, hey, give me some ideas for webhooks and pages and let's build something.
Speaker 1: So, let me ask you a few questions about the scale So So, of course, Grokbot is not going to 100,000 computers that you manage. Grokbot must be managing something that's sending out controls to that. So
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, sort of in some ways, like,
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying? Grokbot can't manage 100,000 Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of it is like, that's kind of been the thing too, is like if I can do like MVP a working product and get it to function in pages and have it all like drafted up and stuff like that and have the functionality. I should be able to say like, hey, go write this for me in such and such language, go write this in whatever. And my idea is that like somebody mentioned earlier in the chat, AI is going to replace my job. Well, yeah, of course it is. Right. And so it's like. My daily job, I, I'm just like, this is so stupid.
Speaker 2: Why are we doing this way, this way? Like if I had Grokbot, I would already have, I'm kind of like automating myself out of a job in some ways. And that's kind of my idea. my whole idea is like, if you have these agents out there installed on different workstations and they're smart enough, you should be able to, Oh, and that's the other thing. So I have a dashboard of all my bots. So, so this all integrates. So I have like 30, 30 bots, right? So I have my dispatch bot. So I can tell my dispatch dispatch bot and say, hey, look and create a light RMM for people that don't wanna hire an MSP or an MSSP. And just have something for like your 10 or 12 device, small businesses.
Speaker 6: Hey Fred, Fred, I hate to jump in on Tim. Tim, you and I have got to talk. Fred, you are part of that project. Remember that? Tim I have a similar governmental governmental problem, right, is that we call them air-gapped data holes, right, is that things that need to be able to operate in, man, you and I are like It's crazy. Sorry. I had to jump in there. You and I got to link up.
Speaker 2: Let's link up. Yeah, we'll get that going. I'm going to yield the mic. I took up plenty of y'all's time but yeah the main takeaway from, what I said, is pages and webhooks if in Omarchy.
Speaker 1: Tim N, and getting to know each other, literally that's the whole point of this entire thing. This is- This is-
Speaker 6: Hey Fred, one more thing. I wanted to give everybody the cheat code that I kind of told you about is, remember the training thing that we talked about, the ACM thing? I do. So this is a cheat code for everybody. If you don't know how, If you guys all remember the O'Reilly tech books. Oh yeah. They were just the thing, the subscription to have. But then that stuff got ridiculously expensive. I want to say it's like $ a year just for you to buy a subscription to O'Reilly tech books. Here's the cheat code. Join an organization called the ACM, Alpha Charlie Mike the Association for Computing Machinery.
Speaker 6: It's $99 $99 a year and you have to add $75 on. And that, so for $175 a year, you get, when I say unlimited access to the O'Reilly books, I mean it's unlimited. And then the cheat code is what I what I told Fred that I do is you can actually see the books as they're being written. So I kind of showed Fred the other day. I'm looking at books that they aren't going to even be published until 2027. And part of that gives me this edge up in the in the world and the community. But I always want to give back. ack.
Speaker 6: Go'sign up for the ACM. You'll get more out of it than not really. And it costs you not a failure. And yeah. And then so the other is, is that you get access to an old school thing from a training perspective called Percipio. It's where you can go get search like and it's included. Like you can take the you can take these courses, these tests, and you can go get your CompTIA's and you and you can go get your Cisco stuff and your DevOps Institute pieces and it's all included for $99 for the membership and $75 for the training add on and it's
Speaker 1: it's a cheat code man. Go everybody go sign up coupon code bread mix. No, just kidding. Just we're not affiliated whatsoever. telling you something that is actually really worth your time and how to get cert
Speaker 6: We don't get paid by it. We're not affiliated. Nope. Really. I've been a member for 25 years and that's it I don't get any special, you know for signing people up none of that It's just one of those things you got to do to help increase yourself Moving forward. You know, I got a drop. Thanks everybody. All right back over to you Cole
Speaker 4: Wow, that's incredible. That's a an insane discount we'll say on on a vast body of work, but infinitely One., One of them instead.
Speaker 4: is just a, it's similar to JSON, but it's a token optimized object notation. And it's just, it gets rid of some of the things in JSON that models do not need. So models don't need you to have a repetitive tag for the same data from one object to the next, to the next in an array. So you can just declare at the top what your object contains and in the order that it contains and items in your array and it just knows the label for each piece of data in each object and it ends up saving you know at least 15 percent. The larger the data set the more the savings.
Speaker 4: Gotcha. Yeah and but there's other tools that I, the team build so GitHub already has a command line tool. But GitLab, I use GitLab as well. GitLab, at least I don't have the GitLab command line tool, if they have one, I haven't looked. But I wanted the team to build custom tools based on the things that the orchestrator was doing on a regular basis. And I think this is kind of what Heath was getting at and what Tim was getting at and potentially others. It's like, okay, you have this bot network that's going and doing all of this stuff. everything that they do on a repetitive basis, I want you to go and that- that will optimize the queries and the responses that you're doing to gather the information that I've asked you to gather. And, you know, relatively quickly, you're going to start saving, every day you're going to start saving, you know, 10, 15, 20% tokens on those things that you're doing.
Speaker 1: There's a lot here.
Speaker 4: back it up, back up the knowledge to an external source just in case.
Speaker 1: How do you go about doing that? Do you tell it to do that and trust that it's or what are you, is it taking those the files on each of the bots computers?
Speaker 4: The bots know where to store because their system prompt tells them to create a file or a series of a folder with a series of markdown files or or other data files, like I'm having it build actual programs. And so it knows about its own storage. And I, initially what I did is I just set it up with my Google connection. And when I said, I want to make a- Google Drive?
Speaker 1: I said, what's that? And so, sorry to interrupt you. You're saying that, I just have Grokbot installed. So are you telling me that I need to go into Grokbot, create a connector to my Google Drive, Then go to my chief of staff and say, all bots must save all of their files to this folder on my Google Drive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I just set it up to say, every night at midnight, just do a backup of your current data files to Google Drive. And then I can go to my Google Drive app, and I can see all my Google, Google Drive app,
Speaker 1: and I can see all my files, new folders and files. OK, so we've gone one way. you completely what happens what would have to happen for
Speaker 4: noticed in the Grokbot app at one point, and it may may have disappeared, but they had a button that you could say upgrade the Grokbot computer. And I thought, well, surely it's going to keep all the files. And I hit that and boom, everything was gone. The bots knew their system prompt, but they lost the conversation history that they had been keeping in those markdown files. And I thought, well, you know, okay, that must have been a system glitch, right? And so I went another couple of weeks and then SpaceX A, I pushed out an update to Grokbot and it did it again. and I thought, well, okay, that's the last time. Like fool me once, you know, you're a fool, fool me twice, I'm a fool. And so that was when I set up the backup.
Speaker 1: So that backs up the files in the bot- does that file set include like the bot's icon and the system prompt for that bot? Where do you save?
Speaker 4: No, I haven't actually dug into that level yet. I want to. But what it did is it named the folder that it put all of its files on in my Google Drive. It named it with the bot's name. And so if they get wiped out. then I can just say, hey, previously in a previous life, you know, you saved type of information. But I'll tell you, it was not just a few text files. It was, in some cases, hundreds of K to megabytes, but I had them building some software as well on their machine, so
Speaker 1: some of that might be the disk allocation. That makes sense. Now, are you using like Codex or Claude
Speaker 4: or Claude Code below Grokbot? I am not on the Grokbot machines. At least I told them to do that. I just just use a grock account so they would have to use grok build but I think they're downloading, you know, compilers and things like that as needed
Speaker 1: Just just the grok bot. I got you brother. All right. Well, why don't
Speaker 4: You might be on
Speaker 8: Yeah, sorry about that. Hi everyone.
Speaker 1: Sounds good.
Speaker 8: Cool. So this week, let's see, I actually, because I've been dual booting with Windows and Omarchy for well basically using Omarchy, not actually going into Windows. So I've been using mainly Omarchy and then decided to wipe everything. So terabyte drive, which was split with Windows of 600 gigs and the rest to Omarchy. I couldn't grab any more from Windows to increase Omarchy because you have to go boot with USB and do a whole disk reorganization. So I was like, a bugger. So I did an update. And then basically when I actually installed Omarchy the first time, I was trying to get DaVinci Resolve working all these things. I started at like all my installed apps, plugins and everything like that. So I had a file with all this information. So when I booted, when I did the wipe and installed RC, was it 4.5, what's it version two now I think. But anyway, so I fed it back the file and it basically put my computer back to what it was. And then obviously I had a backup of my original Omarchy Windows somewhere else, but it's pretty crazy. If you just start like recording what you're doing on your computer, you can basically have it back up as it was. just by feeding AI the text file of how you did it, and what apps there were, and plugins, and keyboard layout, screen layout, you know, the whole lot. It's
Speaker 1: all you there. Yeah, I think we might have lost.
Speaker 4: No, sorry. Just. I'm still here. I've heard, I think I've heard you mentioned Da Da Vinci-Resolve a couple times. Could you just give me a summary of what that is. you know, how, how, you're talking about being able to restore back to where you were. Um, um. And, and, and, that people, uh, the people that I, that I with on a regular basis outside of X. Let me put it I don't think people quite realize how dependent we have become on a realize how changes the game entirely because I now view every machine that I touch as a portal into my information. My information is outside the machine. I back everything up. and the machine is just a portal. And so I can wipe a hard drive, grab a new machine and go with it. How are you viewing that differently now compared-to maybe how you may have operated just even just a few months
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I mean it's totally different, right? Say on Windows, if you had to re-install, you're gonna be clicking through, I mean, you could use PowerShell, but it's pointless because there's so much work. So people should actually think about their main machine. If your machine had to die right now, how would you know what was on there, what plugins, I guess you. You could go back to your chats and like, had a bot that just fills the file up for you as you say, install a fresh new machine. That's basically your restore point for a perfect machine.
Speaker 8: You could use a backup, but what I've installed so many plugins and stuff on the old, like the 60 days of using the version 4.. The CPU is going and the GPU is going when I'm opening, you know, IDEs and all that stuff. So on the new install, I'm like, okay, I'm going to, because the install file, I can kind of like just point to a section and it say, okay, while install these apps, skip this, do my screen, all that, it doesn't actually just push everything at once. So it's kind of controlled in a way too.
Speaker 8: Either this version is much faster or I just had way too much shit running on the old Omarchy and then also because I have I have Hermes on a gateway so I don't actually connects through SSH to my actual dev machine So everything was as it was I just installed Hermes and then connected to the gateway and I had all my chats and history and you know everything was And then all the files I just kind of pulled from my backup the ones I needed fast computer really without all the shit like running on the actual dev machine. So I'd kind of use another computer to do the workloads and stuff. Like GitHub projects and all that kind of stuff. And then yeah, so during time as well, I've also put some skill files on a repository so I can, because I don't use just anyone's skills, I create my own and then I have another agent that kind of updates that skill. So, I want to see the changes so I can go back and stuff. So, I've got skills kind of, what do you call it? It's not hyperlinked, but it's just word for it. Anyway, it's linked to a different folder and it reads the skills skills that way and stuff. So, because our background is in infrastructure and redundancy and all that, so kind of that's I'll make sure everything can like if you took my laptop away from me today I'd probably be able to get it up and running within, if it gave me a new one I wouldn't have to worry about stuff going missing and all that kind of stuff. So I would say that's a good thing.
Speaker 4: I need to do regardless of what machine and where I'm at, you know, as long as I have connectivity. And that has shifted tremendously. And all of these things are getting to be just prompts that you can feed into your network. So, you know, I look at the future very differently than I used who are still kind of, you know, maybe from earlier 2026, you know, or maybe 2025 kind of thinking is is kind said is being able to then just adapt to things that happen. If from that perspective, I know you've got a ton of stuff running your bot network and things like that. Where are you with this concept of like if something catastrophic were to happen with your existing bot network, do you feel prepared with being able to restore things and get things back or is that something you're concerned with?
Speaker 1: That's not something I worry about whatsoever. I'm an infrastructure without trade. Number one, the way that Larry works is that he has a private repo. and every night he pushes pushes up to the repo, no secrets or things like that that. But the way that I have Larry working is instead of keeping a global conversation or just right there in the home directory, I put a symlink in so that all of the Claude Code stored in the project directory itself. Then that project directory is a GitHub repo. Then when it commits, here's a secret that a lot of people don't know. When you do a commit and you say, here's the commit updated graphic on web page. That little comment can be paragraphs and paragraphs.
Speaker 1: of Claude Claude Code for me, when he commits up to save himself, it's kind of a backup kind of a database, he about something in another project, enegger he knows the first place he looks is on local disk. The next place is he does a grep on that project to see if he's optimized to do recall. Because all of our harnesses and all of our Codex, and we all create these eyes, they all have perfect memory. The trick is how you get them to recall the right information at the right time for the right project, for the right everything else. I can lose my machine. It I don't even think about the backups. It pushes up to an estuary bucket.
Speaker 1: My entire mixed thread world is probably $19 a month for everything. If I had to restore, I think the egress is a little bit more expensive, but for 19 bucks, up to back lays up to a bucket is is a very simple thing for me. Each of my applications live on a machine that's automatically pushed up., so I've got Larry backed up, I am in storage. Used to have terabytes and terabytes and ter. Now I have nothing. And I like it.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Hey, I've got to go help a family member and I hope I can be back. but if I can't, I wish everybody a great Sunday. No emergency, but it's something that's important to me and my family, and I'm gonna put you on mute. If I don't come back, I wish everybody a happy Sunday.
Speaker 4: Awesome, Fred. Thank you so much. Cheers, Fred. Cheers, everybody. I completely understand. I'll tell you that, you know, just thinking about, $20 a month, you know, the cost of things in some ways is just dropping or the capabilities expanding and the cost is not.. And, you know, I hope we see that spread beyond technology as well. But it's just amazing. I was thinking though, DevSec, you probably have a little bit of source code here and there. How are you sleeping at night? Obviously, you're using source control, but with everything that you've got going on, how are you dealing with that and what's the latest on your project?
Speaker 5: Yeah. Hey A few things. Yeah, GitHub how you commit likeable is up, but I am posting nuggets here and there and below materials and everything will also get written up in about put out, there is no completely open source. And but one thing that I've never you know, I've never anticipated as how much goes into building a tablet.
Speaker 5: There's so much much goes into that. And it also bringing up, with the different chipsets, bringing all the graphic acceleration and everything else. That becomes that that's challenging, right? But it was a, you know, we're getting somewhere. But when this is done, it will be a really good testament to the community for what you can do. And your tablet, and then at one point your tablet and your large desktop will be able to sync with each and do these remarkable things. So that's going on. But I, I did want to share one thing with you, you guys, which is the Grokbot Workplug. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Hold that thought for just one second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've been noticing my feed has been filling more and more and more working on hardware, working on bringing Omarchy to hardware. And I'm just thinking that we should probably do a space with that kind of as a theme. And so if you know people and I'm talking to everyone in the in the space after it's recorded. If you know somebody that's working on something like this, I'm kind of interested to hear the experience because it's. there are some aspects to it that is very different than just having a machine that you write an application, you run the application, it
Speaker 5: very interesting and there are a couple of people I know that here that are actually doing, you know, phones and other stuff as well. It would it would be it would be good to get everybody's, you know, the takeaway on things of how they're doing it. But yes, there is a lot going on, right on right? And the most frustrating part is, is the the custom drivers, the drivers is because you know, some chipsets, you know, you will be able to you will be able to just run it and be done with it and everything will work. But what's happening right now is a, lot of the tablet manufacturers, a lot of the the device manufacturers in general, what they do is they're starting to limit how much you can access to that chipset.
Speaker 5: So the challenge with that is that it creates this bottleneck of, well, this is the device that I bought for Tinkr with it. But on the other side, you look at it is. There is that trusted execution environment, right, that you need, you know, these device companies have to adhere to. Like Snapdragon has a very, strict rules about stuff like that, of what you can do. And this is why the American versions of tablets and such, it's very difficult to do a bootloader on lock is because of the terms and conditions that this chip manufacturers put on them. So that reverse engineering and open sourcing of the driver and stuff like that is where it becomes really complicated. But happy to share some thoughts into projects going on right now simultaneously, and all of them are going to come to the community. But I do want to, well, I kind of wanted to share a workflow with you guys that I do with Grokbot that. That I actually think it's going to be very good that that can help you guys is What I do is with Grokbot is I have my chief of staff on the Grokbot side right. and that person is basically the orchestrator. That bot is is the orchestrator. Then what I do is I go to Google Drive. you guys can do this and it's very effective.
Speaker 5: Create one folder called Agent Inbox, and I'll do a write-up on this too. In that Agent Inbox, what you do is you put all the different different model providers that you work with. Duet, Codex, on and on and on. So then what you do is you go, you instruct every those agents for once that to monitor their respective folders for MD files, right? Or files coming in, in general. Then what I do is, then what I do is I go to my orchestrator, which is Grokbot, and I'm trying to get a brainstorming going on with all these different models about a or a research that I'm trying to do, can you help me with this? So essentially, I'll give them the instructions, and I say, write the instructions, and send it to Duet, dot, codex, whoever else. So what, what Grokbot does is it creates an MD file and drops into the similar to the Google Drive, Google Drive folders of the respective they automatically do it and, MUSE and all these guys will pick up and pick up the MD file, read the instructions and carry out their research. Then what happens is once they're done, they put that into a completed folder. Then Grokbot brainstorming of infinite amounts of models without spending, you know, crazy money on tools and stuff like that. Because essentially what happens is let's say you have three models that you need, all you need is a Google drive, set up your Google drive, give them access to their respective folders, have an orchestrator drop the file in there. And the next thing you know, everybody's brainstorming with everybody else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a concept that came up with my human team at my employer just this last week is talking about token, not token efficiency, sorry, talking about model, I don't want to say bias because that tends to put a negative spin on it, but model development where, you know, different models, even just switching the reasoning level, dramatically changes their personality, you could say. And I truly think that, and I'll tell you, I think there was this Singularity.net, which has been around for, I don't services and then a because of their training, whether it will probably see less focus on general purpose and a little bit more focus on here's some general purpose but here's some more customized, you know. frontier-level AI that you can then have multiple things looking at the same project. And I think that's going to be incredibly powerful. So, yeah, I really appreciate that perspective. And the thing is, you know, you amaze me because you've you've got all these projects going on. But then I look down the list of people that have spoken today and people that I see posting.
Speaker 4: there's just so much potential that I think everybody's working on lots of different things. So we only have a couple more minutes that all need to be going, but-
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm back, I wanna
Speaker 4: I think you wanted to come back up and had potentially another topic. So take it away and let's see where we go with this.
Speaker 3: Actually, I hit the request button by accident, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Oh, no worries at all. I just wanted to make sure that you had an opportunity. But I mean, this has been an incredible space and I did something a little bit different. I did have more people stay up on stage in case there was a need for, let's say, some crosstalk. And so,
Speaker 1: what did that feel like?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that has helped out in because, you know, by the time you and then somebody else starts speaking and then you're like, oh, if I could just comment on that. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: . I think it was great. It's just a fact. Maybe that's why you're here. You got
Speaker 4: all the big ideas. So great. Fred, I'm glad you're back. And I think unless somebody throws their hand up right now, I think we've I think we're good. We've run the course. Yeah
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we missed this again again. Hopefully he'll be back in that his so you know, his two cents and we miss him. Wish him well. Thank you for being here, Joe. You're like a colleague friend now. It's amazing amazing what this Omarchy community community has put together, put so many people together and we really appreciate the superstar listeners out there and the participation by so many people. We've got regulars now. I feel like we've got a little bit of momentum and it's all about people learning.
Speaker 1: That's it. So as we say every week, help an old lady across the street. When you get her over there, put Omarchy on her laptop. Thanks, Joe. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Thanks everyone. I really appreciate it. Bye bye.