EPISODE 04

Omarchy Sunday Social: The One Where Wes Touched the Kernel

Sunday, October 4, 2026, 3pm EST105 min13+ speakers
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Omarchy Sunday Social, Episode 4: the one where Wes touched the kernel

Wes and I just happen to be the hosts...YOU are the star!!!

Recorded Sunday, October 4, 2026. An hour and forty five minutes, 155 tuned in, 11 people came up to speak, and every one of them was building something.

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Full write-up and the complete transcript: https://omarchyspaces.com/ep/04/

WHO WAS IN THE ROOM

@ncfrontiersman Wes Grimes, host, OmaStorm, now officially on the Omarchy M team. Me nixfred, co-host.

In the order they spoke: @NotJustShaking Lee Shand. @letsbuildanyway Portia. @omarchyftrou Katherine Prawl. @thebytorsnowdog Snowy, live from Scotland. @TheAITradeoff Ivan. @Kingmk3r King Maker, Austin. @flyawayzephyr60 the Super Friendly Aviator. @tim_sonner Tim Sonner. @calledtocnstrct Called To Construct. @maralcbr Marcelo Alcantara, Australia. @hicsfh Chris Hallas, the man behind Atmos.

Omarchy put up a $100,000 bug bounty on HackerOne and hired a head of security, Mehmet, who spoke at the London meetup. The foundation keeps raising, now over $13 million committed. The plugin marketplace closed 1,423 issues in a single week. DHH is building an agents panel because he figured out most of us run more than one agent. You can buy a laptop with Omarchy already on it. And somebody walked into an Apple Store and found a MacBook running Omarchy.

Wes on the money: "Okay, we've got all this money. What are we going to do with it, how are we going to steward it well?" His answer is that the bounty is the right kind of answer. There has been criticism that Omarchy is less secure because it is built so fast with agents, and a $100,000 bounty is putting the money where the mouth is.

WES TOUCHED THE KERNEL

This week Wes shipped full Apple Studio Display support on Omarchy Mac, his first contribution with PRs in both the kernel and the OS. He does not like talking about himself, so I made him.

It started with a very expensive monitor sitting in a closet. On Omarchy Mac the display lit up and nothing else worked: not the webcam, not the speakers, not the Thunderbolt hub, not the brightness. He upgraded to Opus 5.5, put the display on the kitchen table, and said "All right, Opus. Let's figure this out together."

The wild part is how they figured it out. The Studio Display is not a normal monitor. In his words it is almost like a mini iPhone inside the monitor, and you have to talk to it differently. So Wes and Opus set up a tracer on his work MacBook running macOS, watched how macOS changes the volume and the brightness, reverse engineered the conversation, and carried it back to Linux.

The fix lives in the Aurora kernel the M team maintains, and it is C. His instructions to the agent: "This is a kernel that works great. It's fast. Make the changes surgical. Don't break behavior for others." Webcam first, then audio. The moment lo-fi came out of the monitor's speakers he knew it was real.

The repo makes this safe. Your test kernel installs as a second boot entry, so you boot into it, same OS, different kernel, and your main entry is never touched. If it goes bad you reboot into the old one. He tested every port, because unplugging from the right side port and plugging back in froze the display. Chris on the M team cut a new Aurora release and the team tested it together.

Brightness was the hard one. Everything Opus expected to work did not, because the display is not a normal DisplayPort monitor. When the brightness finally jumped to 100 percent he said yes out loud. The last step was the OS side: the kernel now exposes brightness through brightnessctl, so the keyboard keys just call it.

Friday afternoon, Friday night and all of Saturday. "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast." He did it alongside Joshua Warren and the rest of the M team, and his read on the whole thing: "It sounds scarier than it is."

On agents: Wes runs Codex and Opus 5.5 side by side, builds with one and has the other try to prove it is broken. His line on keeping an eye on usage: "It's almost like cell phone minutes back in the day."

LEE @NotJustShaking

Lee Shand, who told us last week what Omarchy is for, came back with hardware. Waveshare sent him a cheap touchscreen panel, about $70 for the 10 inch, and he is wiring it to Omarchy over wireless so a person can press a big button instead of remembering a key chord. Super Space becomes a button. Make the buttons as big as you need. For people who are shaky, or who cannot hold the shortcuts in memory, that is the whole ballgame. He says it is part one of several, and it does not have to be that brand. We are not affiliated with the company, use it at your own risk.

Lee is up to a secret project for Omarchy Different Minds, stay tuned on that one!

PORTIA @letsbuildanyway

Portia came up to ask what she called the stupid questions, and they were exactly the right questions. What is the agents panel actually, and is it apps or APIs? She runs Claude Cowork, DeepSeek, the Fable API, and mostly the Hermes harness with several agents inside it. Wes cleared it up: today the omarchy.agents plugin shows your usage behind a little robot in the bar, and the default agent is just the key binding plus the "Click to diagnose with AI" notification that opens your agent on the system logs. @dhh 's panel is the next step, making it easy to move between agents. Her win of the week: she connected Obsidian to Hermes, and having a single source of truth the harness can read was a big step up.

KATHERINE @omarchyftrou

Katherine Prawl got on a mic for the first time on this computer and launched a newsletter in front of us: Omarchy for the Rest of Us, at omarchy-ftrou.com. She installed Omarchy a month ago, says she is not a practiced developer, and had a Grok bot build the whole newsletter backend in 48 hours. The writing is hers. Wes, for everyone who has been buried in AI walls of text: "I love AI, but I don't like the way it writes." Go subscribe.

SNOWY @thebytorsnowdog

Nearly 9pm in Scotland. Snowy is a civil engineer, trained to put pipes in the ground so water can go through them, not software. This week he shipped his first Omarchy app and submitted four reports to the new bug bounty, with his agents doing the finding and walking him through HackerOne. One came back as a duplicate, three are rated high and waiting in the queue. He ran the Apple MLX data check on his M5 Max MacBook Pro for the M team. He is 50 and his line was "Where has this been for the last 30 years of my life?"

He also built OmaMap, an open source spatial data viewer. The GIS software at work was not running well, so he built a proof of concept, then made Codex and Claude fight over it: one builds, the other hunts for bugs, swap, repeat. The work version is sitting with his IT department, "where good ideas go to die." So he converted it into an Omarchy app and put it on GitHub. He ended the week with spare tokens and is offering them to anyone who needs PRs.

Wes on what that means: operating systems used to be built in an ivory tower where you signed in blood to see the source. Now the people who want to fix it get to fix it. "It's like a true community-built operating system in the most true way."

IVAN @TheAITradeoff

Ivan picked that up and ran with it. He is not a programmer, and Omarchy is the first place his ideas did not hit a wall. He put Omarchy on an Evo X2 a week ago and on an M1 Air last night, and overnight he built a MeshCore plugin. His local machine and his local models now take messages over a MeshCore mesh radio network, no cell signal, no internet. He tried the same thing on an M4 Mac months ago and gave up. Picture an outage, a node in your pocket, and your models at home still answering. Wes called it the alternate internet from Silicon Valley. It is headed for the marketplace in a day or two.

KING MAKER @Kingmk3r

Howdy from Texas. King Maker is running an Omarchy meetup in Austin this Friday at a coffee shop, signups on Luma. Five people so far, on ACL weekend, in the rain. There will be door prizes for the oldest potato and the best potato setup. If you are near Austin, go. The handle is Game of Thrones, not politics.

THE SUPER FRIENDLY AVIATOR @flyawayzephyr60

A chief pilot for a private charter company who was a software engineer first. He saw Wes post that he was running low on tokens, messaged him, and offered to build an aviation layer for OmaStorm, because he wants it on the wall of his ops room someday. Wes said go for it. Yesterday he made his kids, two and four, a princess game and a planes and trains game in half an hour. "This is like the first time in 20 years that computers have been fun again."

Wes's advice to him and to everyone: put your stuff in a repo, even private, even if it is garbage. His agent knows that once a project gets past the third prompt, it is time to make a repo.

He also left a tip for anyone stuck on a work Mac: AeroSpace with Omarchy key bindings, plus Karabiner holding Caps Lock as Super. Wes has been running exactly that on his work Mac since the Aviator told him.

TIM @tim_sonner

Tim Sonner brought a workflow worth stealing: record a demo of your PR, post it on X, and put the link to that post in the PR. Maintainers see it working, everybody else gets to follow along. He has been live streaming public building with Victorio and wants more people doing it. He runs Omarchy on a 2020 Intel MacBook with the T2 chip, has been working out the fingerprint reader on it, and offered help to anyone with that hardware. Today he posted a gist for me to hand straight to my agent. That is collaboration now. His last word: do not let fear get in the way of contributing.

CALLED TO CONSTRUCT @calledtocnstrct

Decades of software development, came in just before Omarchy 3. Yesterday he sat his daughter, who has four kids and has never written a program, in front of an Omarchy laptop and had her type a game idea into a text editor for 15 minutes. He handed it to Grok Build, they talked it through for half an hour, and out came a single HTML file. The kids swarmed the table, then the adults took turns. Last week he asked each grandkid for their favorite thing, Pokemon, ice cream, Monster Trucks, built each one an Omarchy theme, and taught them Super Space and Super W. Best week he has had in a long time.

His idea for the room is bundles: a few apps, a couple of plugins, and skill files so your AI knows how to use them, with an intro markdown on top. What would an aviation bundle look like? Wes loved it: a builder's kit for high schoolers, like the Mark Rober kits that come in the mail, or AI native kits for industries stuck on expensive custom software nobody can maintain. He could see it in Omarchy itself. There is a discussion up on the Omarchy GitHub, so go upvote it and comment. He is also helping with triage and packaging PRs.

I asked him one personal question: did he get that kid at Disney World feeling watching their faces? His first computer was an original IBM at 11, and his father, a math teacher, had him plot equations on screen in graphics mode. He had nobody to share it with then. "And now my daughter, who's middle-aged, has four kids, never written a program in her life... within half an hour, she had a game that all four of the kids could play."

MARCELO @maralcbr

Calling in from the east coast of Australia at 6:26AM(!) on a Monday morning holiday. Marcelo is a principal AI engineer and architect on the Omarchy M team, and tokenomics is his day job. He had receipts on the week in AI pricing: the DGX Spark's memory cut in half to 64 at the same price, which is a price doubling, OpenAI cutting the credits on its $200 Pro plan, and models that seem to get quietly quantized weeks after launch with no transparency about it.

Then the Mac news. On the Aurora kernel, M1 and M2 are done except Touch ID, which is in final testing. People are on the GPU for M3 through M6, the Neo is about 95 percent there, and the goal is every model. And for the people asking: this is not Asahi. Asahi does not accept AI written code, and the M team does, with real engineering discipline around it. Wes backed him up: using AI is not vibe coding.

His lab: one laptop driving three others, wired so they can be cold booted to retest kernels, plus an x86 server so every Mac change gets checked against regular installs. He is also building OmaPlay, his own Plex now that Plex wants a monthly subscription, about 75 percent done with transcriptions and resume across episodes. And he is testing a multi GPU server for 0xSero's local AI work, with MLX on the Mac planned later.

CHRIS HALLAS AND ATMOS @hicsfh

Chris started with Omakub, DHH's Ubuntu take, before Omarchy. He tried Linux many times and never had the time to make it livable. DHH and Ryan took that away. "The malleable OS is not just something we say. It's true."

He built Atmos, the control panel for a mouse person who cannot remember every shortcut. Sensors and charts, your key bindings laid out visually, hardware, drivers, disk, power, and Omarchy's own hooks, where you can see what runs on an update and add your own. Plus the Oma file: export your setup as readable markdown that Atmos can re-apply, or that you can hand to an LLM and say set my machine up like this. I drop Atmos down like a Quake terminal on a Super key and I use its exports to clone and back up my machines.

He called Atmos a happy accident. The idea was always the easy part, now you can go from "I wonder" to running. Chris volunteers alongside Wes in the group having the conversations about where config like this goes next, and he thinks GM's Flee is headed for mainline. With Omarchy's own kernel, he wants Atmos reaching into deep kernel settings. Wes said OmaStorm was an accident too: Labor Day weekend, "Let me see," and then you are on the other side.

TOP 10 SIGNS YOU HAVE BEEN OMARCHY-PILLED

10. You found a MacBook at the Apple Store already running Omarchy.
9. Your laptop has a better travel life than you do.
8. You reach for Super on your work Mac.
7. Someone told you Omarchy is just dotfiles and you agreed, because those dotfiles have millions of dollars behind them.
6. You converted a coworker before the first talk at the meetup.
5. You keep an Omarchy resurrection queue of dead laptops in the garage.
4. You learned every shortcut from a game and now play Hyprland like a Stratocaster.
3. Your Steam Deck runs Omarchy and the back buttons scroll.
2. You put a Windows XP wallpaper on an old MacBook running Omarchy, just to mess with people.
1. There is a $100k bounty for bugs in Omarchy and you are suddenly very interested in testing.

ASKS ON THE TABLE

Go to King Maker's Austin meetup Friday if you are anywhere close.

Subscribe to Katherine's newsletter, Omarchy for the Rest of Us.

Upvote and comment on the bundles discussion on the Omarchy GitHub.

Watch for Ivan's MeshCore plugin in the marketplace this week.

If you have an Apple Silicon Mac, the M team wants your data. Snowy already sent his.

Everybody: follow everybody in the room. We are small and we all like the same things.

NEXT SUNDAY

Same time, 3pm EST. If you did not get to speak today, we are sorry, X Spaces dropped a few of you between request and stage. Come back.

Help an old lady across the street, and when you get her over there, put Omarchy on her laptop.

Transcript

machine generated · speakers are their own X handles
@ncfrontiersman

One, two, three. Hello.

@ncfrontiersman

The co-host, can you hear me okay?

@NixFred

I can. You might want to turn your gain down just a tad. How about me?

@ncfrontiersman

Yep. How about now? Is that any better?

@NixFred

Yeah, that's a lot better, brother.

@ncfrontiersman

Okay.

@NixFred

I'm not coming at you. I just want you to sound great.

@ncfrontiersman

No, that's good.

@NixFred

Fair enough. Look at that, we already got Rook and Tim.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@NixFred

That's a sign of it's going to happen today, man. I'm excited.

@ncfrontiersman

Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, Tim and Rook, if y'all share, for people to join, retweet it, get people in here.

@ncfrontiersman

We've got too many stragglers the last few weeks that come in late, so. Hope y'all are doing good today.

@NixFred

I'm hitting all of my peeps. I also hit that big chat group.

@ncfrontiersman

Oh, yeah.

@NixFred

If you want to do that too, Wes, that'd be amazing.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@NixFred

That's where we'll get some beef.

@ncfrontiersman

I'm nervous.

@NixFred

You know what? If Paul, Rook, and Tim are here, that's enough for me, brother. We got a quick.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yep. Paul, I hope you're doing good.

@ncfrontiersman

Give me a thumbs up if you're doing all right.

@NixFred

Yeah. Rook and Tim, if y'all hear us.

@ncfrontiersman

Let's see. Well, I saw a thumbs up from them earlier, so I think they're.

@NixFred

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

There we go. There we go.

@NixFred

There we go.

@ncfrontiersman

Rocking rolling. Very good. Yeah, I'm talking to you from I got my Apple Studio Display hooked up.

@NixFred

Oh, yeah. Well, I've got a whole thing I want to talk about, about your shipping the Apple Studio Display Brightness Control on a MACHI M Series. So I got a whole thing about that.

@NixFred

And I think Josh would help you out, did he not?

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. I've been working with Josh and then this guy.

@NixFred

As well.

@ncfrontiersman

And BI9Kahana.

@NixFred

Yeah. Yeah. Scott Jones.

@NixFred

Yeah, man. I do my research, brother.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. We're on the M team together, so.

@NixFred

Yeah, that's amazing.

@ncfrontiersman

But yeah.

@NixFred

Let's get there. We got Ivan joining. We're going to be live well, we got a minute, but you're the host and I'm the co-host, so you let me know when you want to get running.

@ncfrontiersman

Okay. Yeah. We'll give just a couple more.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah, Ivan, I don't think I've seen you before. Welcome.

@ncfrontiersman

Good to have you.

@NixFred

Yeah. Everybody follow everybody. Sorry to interrupt you, Wes.

@NixFred

I won't do that in this one.

@ncfrontiersman

No, that's fine. Information overload. Looks like maybe a new one.

@ncfrontiersman

Not sure.

@ncfrontiersman

Lee's here.

@NixFred

My man, Lee is here. Sweet.

@ncfrontiersman

Lee is here. If we were in person, I'd give you all a handshake.

@NixFred

That's right. I called Snowy a woman last week. Well, I didn't.

@NixFred

My agent did. So apologies, Snowy.

@NixFred

I don't think he likes me. That's all right.

@NixFred

Well, like my tweet says, "People often ask me, 'Fred, I don't like you.'"

@NixFred

Oh, man. All right.

@NixFred

Let's get the screen situated here.

@ncfrontiersman

All right.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, welcome for the folks who dropped in. Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman

Jacob, we got is that Jeff? I think that's Jeff.

@ncfrontiersman

Yep.

@NixFred

My name, Jeff.

@ncfrontiersman

My name, Jeff. My name, Jeff.

@NixFred

I don't think anybody got my joke when I was saying my name, Jeff.

@ncfrontiersman

I got it.

@NixFred

Oh, you did? Okay. That means.

@ncfrontiersman

I couldn't think about anything else when they came out with it.

@NixFred

Oh, okay. So it's not. Well, all right.

@NixFred

Perfect.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. No, is that still a thing anymore? Is that already sold?

@NixFred

No, no, no. I mean the Jeff thing. You know.

@NixFred

Just like anything else. And Omarchy's going to be one of them too.

@NixFred

It hits the internet core and people go crazy for it and it fades away. My notes say that the Omicon Foundation got to $13 million committed funding.

@NixFred

Oh, they added $13 million from let's see. All right.

@NixFred

Folks, you're here in the pre-show where we just figure our stuff out. So apologies.

@ncfrontiersman

Yep. Portia, welcome. Let's see who else we got.

@NixFred

Portia.

@ncfrontiersman

André. We got called to construct. Lots of folks hopping in.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Well, I'll tell you what.

@ncfrontiersman

Let's go ahead and get started. Chris has already hopped in.

@ncfrontiersman

Daniel. So yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

Fred, it's another one. How many are we at now?

@ncfrontiersman

Is this four?

@NixFred

This is four, sir.

@ncfrontiersman

Number four. All right.

@NixFred

Which means it's a month. And man, a month seems like it seems like a year and a half ago, man. Especially since I got to know you, man.

@NixFred

I've been getting to know you a little bit better. And you're such a good person, brother.

@NixFred

This community is full of them. Portia's been interacting with me a whole lot this week.

@NixFred

Lee's been interacting this week. And it's just been nice, man.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I agree. It's beautiful to watch it blossom.

@ncfrontiersman

Basky, how you doing? I see you hopped in.

@ncfrontiersman

But yeah, it's been wonderful. So yeah, let's get this train going.

@ncfrontiersman

I want to make sure we give folks the time to share and ask questions of each other. We can talk a little bit about what I've been working on with the Omarchy M team and the MAC stuff.

@ncfrontiersman

And we can talk a little bit more about how folks' dev workflows are going. Because I know that was a popular topic last time.

@ncfrontiersman

We were talking about Hermes and Kanban and just want to dig into that a little bit. And yeah, I mean, Fred, how are you doing, man?

@ncfrontiersman

You got any.

@NixFred

I'm doing great, man. Our fourth episode. We're moving right along.

@NixFred

Same house rules as always. No politics.

@NixFred

No egos. Raise your hand if you want to tell us about what you're building.

@NixFred

And if you're stuck, we want to help. I think a couple of the things that happened this week are Omarchy put up a $100,000 bug bounty.

@NixFred

They hired a head of security. The foundation keeps raising millions and millions of dollars.

@NixFred

The marketplace that Hancore runs closed 1,400 issues. Not PRs, but issues this week.

@NixFred

One of the big ones is DHH is building an agent panel. If you saw, he was tweeting out that he thought at the beginning, they just kind of assigned it if you've used Omarchy and every one of you have, you assign a default agent.

@NixFred

And he figured out that most people have more than one agent. So he's coding for that.

@NixFred

You can now buy a laptop with Omarchy already on it at the private, with a laptop already on it, which is cool. Somebody walked into an Apple store and found a MacBook running Omarchy, which I kind of laughed about and tweeted about a couple of weeks ago, but here we are.

@ncfrontiersman

That's awesome.

@NixFred

What do you think, Wes?

@ncfrontiersman

Well, yeah. So many good things. So a lot of money flowing into the foundation.

@ncfrontiersman

I'm sure a lot of people are going to be like, "Okay, we've got all this money. What are we going to do with it, right?

@ncfrontiersman

How are we going to steward it well?" Because there's a lot that you could do.

@ncfrontiersman

So I think it'd be cool.

@NixFred

And money really shows what your real intentions are. So how you spend your money is what you're thinking about.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

@ncfrontiersman

That's right. So I think things like the bug bounty and hiring some folks full-time to focus on some of these issues, that's great.

@ncfrontiersman

Like you said, the head of security. I think that that person, Mehmet, I think it is.

@NixFred

Yes, it is.

@ncfrontiersman

Spoke at the Omarchy London. So I don't know if Fundy's on, but maybe we could hear about how that went as well.

@NixFred

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

So yeah, the bug bounty. I think that's awesome. There's a lot of well, there has been historically a little bit of criticism about, "Oh, Omarchy, it's not as secure, right, because it's being built so quickly and all that with agents."

@ncfrontiersman

But I think that that commitment to that bounty shows the commitment to having a secure operating system. And so putting the money where the mouth is, right?

@ncfrontiersman

And so.

@NixFred

You bet, man.

@ncfrontiersman

I think that's fantastic. And then the plug-in. Yeah, the agents plug-in that DHH is putting together.

@ncfrontiersman

The thing I thought was cool about that is, and I haven't looked into it, maybe you can tell me, but there's a way to jump right into creating a plug-in or an app or config right from the agent window now. So in addition to showing the usage that your agents are doing, you can also kick off a prompt right from there to start building, which I think that's brilliant.

@ncfrontiersman

Probably not a ton of work to do, but it just kind of connects the whole system together for those that are visual.

@NixFred

Yeah, it really does. And the other thing that the goal of Omarchy, there's so many goals, but one of the main ones was to build bridges to help people get off of Mac and to help people get off of Windows. And when people figure out, and we talked a couple of episodes back about the ability to create plug-ins and what you and I created for our first plug-in and how funny they are.

@NixFred

I think I remember mine was adding the percentage of the year left on the calendar, and I was blown away by that little tiny thing. And your mind just opens up and people are making more and more complex plug-ins.

@NixFred

No longer is it just showing your ping out to Cloudflare to make sure your internet's up. People are making really complex things.

@NixFred

One of the things I really want to dig into, Wes, and I know your personality and you don't like talking about yourself, but I'm going to put you on the spot here. This week, you're on the M team for Omarchy officially, and you shipped out Apple Studio Display Brightness Controller.

@NixFred

And I don't know if it's your first contribution, but it spans both the kernel and the OS, brother. And you got Joshua Warren.

@NixFred

You've got Silicon Forested. You've got @BI9Kahana.

@NixFred

I don't know the gentleman's name or woman's name. And so walk us through it.

@NixFred

What does it take to get a display brightness fix from this doesn't work at all all the way to a kernel PR, man? That's hot.

@NixFred

That's hot.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Well, we've talked about this before, but it started with I've got this Apple Studio Display. I've been a Mac fanboy for years, right?

@ncfrontiersman

And it's a very expensive piece of machinery just sitting around, and it wasn't really working right. And it wasn't just the brightness controls, by the way.

@ncfrontiersman

It was the webcam, the speakers. It's got a Thunderbolt hub.

@ncfrontiersman

These studio displays are pretty cool. You just plug one Thunderbolt cable into your laptop, and then you get it all.

@ncfrontiersman

And that didn't really work with Omarchy, or Omarchy. So my process was, "All right.

@ncfrontiersman

I plug this in. The display popped up, but nothing else worked.

@ncfrontiersman

I just upgraded my cloud subscription. I got Opus 5.5.

@ncfrontiersman

I got my studio display out of the closet, sat on the kitchen table, looked at my laptop, and I'm like, 'All right, Opus. Let's figure this out together.'"

@ncfrontiersman

And so talking to the folks on the M team, I'm like, "Hey, we're doing this big push to get Omarchy Mac and all merged upstream so it's all in one unified repository.

@ncfrontiersman

That's coming soon. But the idea is you have this Aurora kernel, which is a fork of Asahi or however you say it, right?

@ncfrontiersman

And that is going to make it into the mainstream plus a slew of OS changes like the UI, like the on-screen display, all those types of controls and config.

@ncfrontiersman

And so I'm working with Opus, and I'm like, "All right. We got to figure out why.

@ncfrontiersman

Number one, I want to hear sound through these speakers in the monitor and what's going on." And so basically, it started with Opus just trying things.

@ncfrontiersman

And it was like, "Well, I see that it's hooked in through Thunderbolt, and it's supposed to be exposing as a USB hub, and it should show the speakers as a USB device. It should show the webcam as a USB device, etc.

@ncfrontiersman

But I can't figure it out." And so the crazy thing it did was I have another MacBook for work that has macOS on it.

@ncfrontiersman

So it had me we worked together and installed basically a listener, a tracer on the Mac, and it watched how the volume control worked, how the brightness control worked.

@NixFred

Whoa.

@ncfrontiersman

To basically reverse engineer how you communicate with this monitor. Because this studio display is not like a typical. It actually runs like iOS on it.

@ncfrontiersman

It's kind of wild the way it works if you've looked into it.

@NixFred

Oh, really?

@ncfrontiersman

And so it's almost like a mini iPhone or a mini iPad inside of the monitor. And the idea is you kind of have to control it differently. It doesn't work the same way all of the other displays that you plug in with DisplayPort or USB-C.

@ncfrontiersman

There's other USB-C displays that work fine with Omarchy. This one's different.

@ncfrontiersman

So basically, it went over, it did some research, it figured it out on the Mac. It figured out how to control it.

@ncfrontiersman

Then it brought that back over. And I'm like, "All right, M team, where should I put these kernel changes?"

@ncfrontiersman

Because it's going to require changes to the kernel, the compiled deep-level code that runs.

@ncfrontiersman

You can't just edit the source of on the fly like you can when you want to customize plug-ins and stuff. And so there's this whole process that is pretty cool that's set up in this Aurora repo where you can and it's all written in C.

@ncfrontiersman

So it's C code. And it's going through and it's taking the info it reverse engineered.

@ncfrontiersman

And then it's making the changes. And I'm like, "Hey, I don't want you to redo everything.

@ncfrontiersman

This is a kernel that works great. It's fast.

@ncfrontiersman

Make the changes surgical. Don't break behavior for others."

@ncfrontiersman

Those are the kinds of things I always do when I work with agents.

@ncfrontiersman

And it got to the point where it made some changes. And I did it one at a time.

@ncfrontiersman

I got the webcam working first. And then I got the audio working.

@ncfrontiersman

I was playing CLI amp, or the CLI amp, however you say it, playing lo-fi. And I'm like, the minute the sound came on, I'm like, "Yes.

@ncfrontiersman

This is awesome." And so I got all that.

@ncfrontiersman

That was all kernel work. And the way that repo is set up, I know I'm rambling, but.

@NixFred

No, I love it.

@ncfrontiersman

The repo setup is that you can make those changes, and then it creates a local install script where it'll install it as a second bootloader entry. So you compile the C for the kernel. It installs it as a test one that shows up in the list when you reboot the computer.

@ncfrontiersman

So you boot into that. It's your same OS and everything.

@ncfrontiersman

It's just different kernel. And then you can start using it and testing it.

@ncfrontiersman

And so got that working. And then it was like, "Well, let's test all of the different things."

@ncfrontiersman

Because the MacBook's got three different USB-C ports. So there was a bug where if you unplug from the port on the right and plug it back in, it didn't work.

@NixFred

Right. That makes sense.

@ncfrontiersman

If you switch it to the other port, it was getting locked up and freezing. So we worked through all that, got it pushed up. And then Chris on the M team put together a new build release of the Aurora kernel for us.

@ncfrontiersman

And then we all installed it and tested it, and it worked, which was really cool. And then the second step of that was, "All right, we got all that working, but I can't change the brightness of it."

@ncfrontiersman

And I'm somebody that I need it as bright as it can be. I don't know if it's because of the color of my eyes or my vision or whatever, but I need it at like 100% brightness.

@ncfrontiersman

But it was sitting at like 50%. That was actually harder than all the other things to get to there.

@ncfrontiersman

And that's when it went back to reverse engineered again. And everything it thought that Opus thought that should work didn't work.

@ncfrontiersman

It thought, "Oh, it should be controlled the same way other display port brightnesses are controlled." But again, because the studio display is iOS-based, it was different.

@ncfrontiersman

And it figured it out. We got that in.

@ncfrontiersman

And as soon as it's going through all these test iterations, it's like, "Did the brightness change?" I'm like, "No, it's still dim."

@ncfrontiersman

And eventually, when I saw that brightness shoot up, I was audibly like, "Yes."

@NixFred

Oh, bet. Oh, bet.

@ncfrontiersman

And I think it's just kind of a microcosm of how cool it is these times that we're living in that we can take and do this kind of stuff. I don't have a ton of current I have a lot of software experience.

@NixFred

Sure.

@ncfrontiersman

I don't have a ton messing around with kernels because if you mess that up, you could screw your whole system up, so.

@NixFred

Yeah. So let me ask you a question about that. Bleeding edge kernel testing on your only Mac or your primary driver, how much risk did you feel like you're putting into it?

@NixFred

Because there's a real danger of bricking the thing. Was that ever something you were worried about?

@ncfrontiersman

It was until I talked to the guys on the team and we figured out the way that these changes go in and it installs as a second bootloader entry. It doesn't mess with your main one. So you can always reboot and go back to your main entry and it won't touch that.

@ncfrontiersman

So it's kind of like a yeah, it's like a temporary second installed entry that you can go to. Now, if it was messing with the main one, yeah, that could have been risky.

@ncfrontiersman

And I mean, I'm sure there could be issues where it could screw up my hard drive or stuff like that. But I have everything backed up.

@ncfrontiersman

And I use Git. Dot files are backed up, all that kind of stuff.

@ncfrontiersman

And so I mean, I kind of work in this world where my computer is ephemeral. If it goes away, I can stand it back up.

@ncfrontiersman

So I'm not too worried about that. But bricking it, yeah, that's a concern.

@ncfrontiersman

So that whole ability to have the test entry really makes it pretty easy. And so it sounds scary.

@ncfrontiersman

I think what it is, it sounds scarier than it is. And once you get in there and figure it out and work with it and see it happen, it's not too bad.

@NixFred

That's right. That's cool.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. And then really, so that was all kernel work. Kernel is things like battery, display, touch ID, all those types of lower-level things.

@ncfrontiersman

And then there's the OS side of things, like the quick shell with the built-in plug-ins and all that kind of stuff.

@ncfrontiersman

And so the last step was to make the when you did the brightness on the keyboard. So if you have a Mac keyboard or like I have the Magic wireless keyboard and all that, so you hit F1, F2 to do the brightness, it wasn't controlling it still.

@ncfrontiersman

And so that required basically, the kernel exposed the ability to run a command, a CLI command called brightness CTL. And as soon as it did that, then it was super easy to just have the OS control just call that and say, "Brightness control 15."

@ncfrontiersman

And it would set it to 15%.

@NixFred

Gotcha.

@ncfrontiersman

So it was kind of useful to have it in two parts and then it works. And I kind of just wrap up with just saying it sounds like a lot, but a lot of it was really just being patient, sitting there, working through it, and being diligent about testing everything each time, unplugging it, plugging it back in, walking through the steps because this is a scenario where it's not something I'm just going to use. I want to make sure that everybody that uses it has a good

@ncfrontiersman

experience as I did. And so there's going to be different ways that they might use it. So you kind of got to sit there and think through all the permutations of it.

@ncfrontiersman

And so slow. Like I say, slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

@ncfrontiersman

And it took Friday afternoon, evening, and then all day yesterday to get it.

@ncfrontiersman

But that's work that should last for a long time.

@NixFred

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

And there's all kinds of users.

@NixFred

I don't have the studio. I may pick one up used if I could find one. But I know that all the folks on the call, there's probably half of them that are Mac people and probably half of those have the studios.

@NixFred

So as a community, we really thank you for putting that work in, man. And I know none of us get paid for this stuff.

@NixFred

We just love it. So your passion's bleeding out of you, bro.

@NixFred

And we really appreciate it.

@ncfrontiersman

Thanks, man.

@NixFred

You want to talk about the marketplace closing 1,423 issues in one week? So I saw a tweet by HandCore. And if you don't follow him, you should.

@NixFred

It's @HandCore_Linux. He had a tweet that said, "This week on Omarchy plug-in workplace, 1,423 issues closed, 14 PRs merged, 506 new plug-ins listed, and 569 re-verified plug-in updates."

@NixFred

And I know that @TCballard is right in there with him and those guys are putting the work in. Man, that's a lot of issues in one week.

@NixFred

Do you think that's even possible a year ago?

@ncfrontiersman

No. No, not without an army of people. I mean, I think the tooling we have now, the system that HandCore has put in place has really made it possible.

@ncfrontiersman

The ability to use the agents to triage, to apply the labels automatically based on is it does it pass the automatic check? If it does, then that's good.

@ncfrontiersman

Put it in the waiting area for a more deep security review. So it's gotten pretty sophisticated as far as the system goes.

@ncfrontiersman

But I do think a fair amount of it is also HandCore just sitting there and powering through a lot of stuff at the same time. So props to him for that.

@ncfrontiersman

There's what, almost 5,000 plug-ins now?

@NixFred

Shame on me for not knowing, but I know there's more than four.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@NixFred

Let's go look.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

I'm curious to know what we're at.

@NixFred

We are at oh, shoot. I can't even see it. What a boring thing for me to stall the show with.

@NixFred

Sorry about that. So DHH, he put a tweet out that got 2.2 thousand likes.

@NixFred

It says, "Working on the Omarchy agents panel, we clearly needed a built-in way to manage multiple subscriptions and an easy way to use those agents." I completely agree.

@NixFred

I don't often change my default agent, but it's been something that I didn't even know that I needed because I am lucky enough to have a multitude of subscriptions. It is pretty painful in the pocketbook, but it's worth it for me.

@NixFred

I didn't have this many subscriptions before Omarchy. I just had the one.

@NixFred

And it's pretty exciting. What do you think about having do you have multiple agents?

@NixFred

And what do you think about having the ability to switch between them with a panel?

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah, I do. Especially as of late, I've gone back to I have a Codex subscription, so I was using Aster for a bit. And then when they came out with 6.1, Saul, that barely touches the usage on a pro subscription.

@ncfrontiersman

And it's good. It's a good workhorse.

@ncfrontiersman

Opus 5.5 is in another league, I think. And really, those two together are great.

@ncfrontiersman

I think I try to use Opus as much as possible, but if I've got some grunt work or some implementation-based things, I will have Saul do it.

@ncfrontiersman

And I think it's also helpful when you have multiple agents. The whole adversarial review thing is important to where you basically build, implement with one, and then you have another one, another model, etc.

@ncfrontiersman

Take a look at the implementation and point out all the flaws, right? And it's trying to get that other agent to think about it in this chain of reasoning where it's like, "Okay, prove that this isn't broken" kind of thing.

@ncfrontiersman

And so it kind of forces it to go over. So I do think having multiple agents is good.

@ncfrontiersman

And it's nice with that plug-in to be able to see your usage across them and kind of monitor it because it's almost like cell phone minutes back in the day.

@NixFred

Yeah. That's a great analogy. I love it.

@NixFred

I love it.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I mean, I don't know how long before we're going to have to do nice and weekends, but we'll see.

@NixFred

That's right. That's right. I see some celebrities in the room.

@NixFred

I see Jankies out there. I see Lee is out there.

@NixFred

I see Michael Gardner's out there. I see Porsche.

@NixFred

I see Lee. I see Snowy.

@NixFred

What do you want to do next, Wes?

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. We got Joshua from the M team as well.

@ncfrontiersman

Lots of folks have hopped in. I think I've been talking enough.

@ncfrontiersman

Let's open the floor up for some Q&A. And let's do.

@NixFred

Look at there. We got Porsche's already requested. What do you think?

@NixFred

I want to talk to her.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Let's do it. And let's try to keep it one topic at a time and five minutes.

@ncfrontiersman

Let's try that. See how it goes.

@NixFred

All right. Porsche, I promoted you to speaker. I think you got to accept it and make sure you're not muted.

@NixFred

Well, there it is.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. And then I got Lee behind. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

So yeah, if you want to talk, go ahead and go ahead and request. We'll do our best to kind of keep a queue going.

@NixFred

Yeah. Just be patient with us. And Porsche, we're trying.

@NixFred

If you want to request again. And if you don't, just give me a thumbs down.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. That's fine.

@ncfrontiersman

Looks like Lee's on. So we can let Porsche speak after.

@NixFred

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

That works.

@NixFred

Oh, there's three now. All right. Lee, what's on your mind this week?

@NixFred

Lee, let's keep it to one topic and about five minutes, maybe. And then those that aren't, please be patient.

@NotJustShaking

It'll be less than that. I don't want to talk about what we're working on yet, Friggs. I know there's a little bit to go on that, but something along the lines for people with disabilities, cognitive issues, memory issues.

@NotJustShaking

I got sent a review piece of hardware from a company called WaveShare. And basically, they're just like iPad things, right, that you can code yourself to do absolutely anything with.

@NotJustShaking

So you could have it as your audio control for your house or maybe a thermostat or maybe you wanted it as a weather station.

@NixFred

Wow.

@NotJustShaking

These things are only like 70 bucks, so they're really cheap. So you don't have to go out and buy an iPad or an Android machine. Anyway, the plan with this is to have it wirelessly or you can have it plugged in, but you don't want that.

@NotJustShaking

Wirelessly connect into Omarchy. And I've already done quite a lot of work on this.

@NotJustShaking

And it will enable you to be able to or a person to be able to hit the shortcut keys like we have with Omarchy, like super spacebar, super whatever. You would just press a button on the iPad-type device, and it will do that for you, right?

@NotJustShaking

And you can make the buttons as big as you want. You can have them as small as you want.

@NotJustShaking

So people with hand-eye coordination or maybe they're shaky or maybe they don't have the memory to remember what those keys were, they'll all be set up on this device and you just press the button. Now, that's just part one.

@NotJustShaking

There are several other parts that will come along with this as well that will feed into Omarchy. I don't want to speak too much of them at the moment because I'm not entirely sure what they'll be yet.

@NotJustShaking

But just as a prime example, that's something I'm working on with that bit of hardware that I think will make a real big difference. And the cost is very low.

@NixFred

That's amazing, Lee. Your commitment to helping people with less than full abilities is amazing. And we salute you, my friend.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. That's cool.

@ncfrontiersman

So what's it called again, Lee? I missed that.

@NotJustShaking

If you go the website, the company is called WaveShare. So whiskey, alpha, victor, echo, and then share. Chinese company.

@NotJustShaking

And you're looking for the I think it's like the 10-inch display that they make.

@NixFred

Yeah. So Wes and I don't promote or what's the word? We're not connected to that company, so use it at your own peril.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

We don't endorse, I think. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

We do not endorse. But that's cool.

@ncfrontiersman

I love those kinds of I love the physical hardware that's kind of like the accessories. And I'm a home assistant nerd.

@ncfrontiersman

I've got my whole house set up with Home Assistant. And I have so many ideas that I could use something like that for.

@NotJustShaking

Yeah. And of course, it doesn't have to be that device, right? There's hundreds of companies that make that kind of device.

@NotJustShaking

I just chose a company that was willing to send me something that was relatively cheap for people to buy.

@NixFred

That's cool, man. Well, thanks for stopping by, Lee. It's amazing.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Good to hear from you, Lee. All right, Porsche, I think you're up.

@letsbuildanyway

Thank you.

@NixFred

Hey, there she is.

@letsbuildanyway

Hi. Hello. Well, I'm here to ask the stupid questions.

@ncfrontiersman

No stupid questions.

@letsbuildanyway

That's what you say now.

@NixFred

Just a little bit, please.

@letsbuildanyway

Wes, you mentioned about the default agent panel, which I actually haven't used yet. So when you say default agent panel, are you using different apps or are you using the API separately?

@ncfrontiersman

Well, when I say default agent panel, there's a plug-in for Omarchy that you enable. It's just called omarchy.agents. And really, it's just going to show your usage up in your menu bar.

@ncfrontiersman

It looks like a little robot.

@letsbuildanyway

Oh, okay.

@ncfrontiersman

And then I don't know if it auto-detects your providers. It seemed to pick up Codex automatically, but you might have to tell your agent, "Hey, I want to see usage for Grok or I want to see it for Surfshark or whatever."

@ncfrontiersman

But yeah, that.

@NixFred

Shameless plug here. My burn bar gives you all the information plus how much time you have banked where you can use your agent more heavily.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@letsbuildanyway

Should I ask? Because using the API for me is very different than using the actual application. What I use Claude for, like Claude Cowork, is different than what I would use their latest.

@NixFred

Yeah. So when we talked about panel, today, currently, when you install Omarchy, it helps you to pick your default agent. And what DHH figured out was that most people have more than one agent.

@NixFred

So he is coding a future panel that he will release that make it easy for you to switch back and forth.

@letsbuildanyway

Okay. I've never used that feature before, and that's the only reason why I'm just curious and asking questions. I actually have the documentation open now.

@NixFred

I gotcha. So when we talk about using different agents, you said something about application. Mainly, when you do that, you're switching between either the command line Grok or Codex or Claude or OpenCode, Py.

@NixFred

There's a million of them. So you really don't use a different application.

@NixFred

You just kind of enter the agent a different method on the command line.

@letsbuildanyway

Yeah. Because yeah, but I use I don't know if that would be good for I don't know if that would encompass all of my use cases because I use Claude Cowork. Then I might just use DeepSeek.

@letsbuildanyway

Then I might just use Fable, the API, and not Claude, the actual Cowork application. So I need to get back on Omarchy and see exactly what they mean by agents.

@letsbuildanyway

Or sometimes I use a harness. Well, most of the times, I use a harness like Hermes, where I'm using multiple agents within Hermes.

@NixFred

You figured it out already, Porsche. That's it.

@letsbuildanyway

Did I? I don't know if I figured it out.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, here, I can clear it up. So the plug-in that I was talking about literally just shows usage. That's all it is.

@ncfrontiersman

It's just showing you how far you are into your limits and all that. There's also a way to set a default agent, which is really just the key binding.

@ncfrontiersman

It's two things. It's the key binding that opens up the AI app like Cowork or ChatGPT.

@ncfrontiersman

And then there's when you have a system error that occurs, a little notification pops up and it says you want to diagnose it with your agent, then it tells you which one to use there. So everything else is kind of up to you.

@letsbuildanyway

So if I wanted to do some troubleshooting on a bug, could I use an agent within Omarchy? Would that be my default agent if I wanted to debug something within Omarchy?

@ncfrontiersman

I mean, yeah, that would be what it does. It's really just a small hook into it. So you get a little notification on the right of the screen, and it says, "Click to diagnose with AI."

@ncfrontiersman

And all that does is open up a terminal prompt with your agent that you've defaulted. And then it gives it a prompt, and it gives it the logs to look at, and it just tries to figure out what caused that system error to happen.

@ncfrontiersman

So it's just a little.

@letsbuildanyway

Would I be able to connect it to OpenRouter? Because OpenRouter has all of my models.

@NixFred

So go ahead, Wes.

@letsbuildanyway

Yeah. I'm all right.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I mean, more than likely, there's a CLI for I haven't used OpenRouter, but.

@NixFred

Yeah. Anything like OpenCode can point to it, stuff like that. Can somebody open up the Omarchy Sunday social site and post to it?

@NixFred

I can't find it. And let's get the chat started.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@letsbuildanyway

Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah.

@letsbuildanyway

No, just ask me questions. And quickly, I've connected Obsidian to Hermes, and it's been amazing.

@letsbuildanyway

Having a truth of source that works with a harness has been a great improvement in my setup. And I had a chance to play around with Instinct as well.

@letsbuildanyway

So that's what I've done today. I'll be this week, and I'll stop there.

@ncfrontiersman

Awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

I've used Obsidian for years now. Before even AI came out, it was like a second not a true second brain, but a good way to organize my thoughts and notes outside of whatever app Work wanted me to use or out of the source code and all that.

@ncfrontiersman

So I've always enjoyed it. And I think using it with agents, it's really just sharing state.

@ncfrontiersman

It's sharing context in a good way. So yeah, that's cool you found it.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman

I think Catherine is next.

@NixFred

Hey, Catherine.

@omarchyftrou

Hi.

@NixFred

Hi there.

@ncfrontiersman

Hey.

@omarchyftrou

This is my first time trying to use this computer with a microphone, so I wasn't sure it would work.

@NixFred

You're doing great.

@ncfrontiersman

We can hear you.

@omarchyftrou

Great. Super. Well, I wanted to talk about my new Omarchy newsletter.

@NixFred

Let's hear it.

@omarchyftrou

I just this past week decided to start a newsletter called Omarchy for the rest of us. It's intended to help people get started with Omarchy because I'm not a really practiced developer or anything. I've dabbled with software for longer than I want to talk about and that sort of thing, but I've never really been very good at it.

@omarchyftrou

However, I'm really enjoying Omarchy. I installed it about a month ago.

@omarchyftrou

And this past week, I decided that, well, if I'm going to do a newsletter about it, I ought to really dig into it. So I started a Grok bot.

@omarchyftrou

And within 48 hours, I had everything in place to run this newsletter. It's incredible.

@omarchyftrou

I am really writing Omarchy. I mean, Grok bot helps with it with outlines and so forth, and of course, with the backend, but I'm doing the actual writing myself.

@ncfrontiersman

Ooh, I love that. I love it when people are actually writing stuff. I love AI, but I don't like the way it writes.

@ncfrontiersman

It's really hard to read sometimes when you get those walls. So I appreciate you writing that by hand.

@omarchyftrou

Well, I also wanted to be honest about it. So I have done writing for a long time, and I'm much better at that than I am at coding. So that's kind of my wheelhouse.

@omarchyftrou

I wanted to invite everybody to join. It's in my links and in my profile and Omarchy FTROU with or without the hyphen.com.

@ncfrontiersman

Omarchy for the rest of us.

@omarchyftrou

Yep. I love it.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. It's good to hear from you, Catherine. I'm glad you.

@omarchyftrou

Thank you.

@ncfrontiersman

Spoke. And look forward to reading the newsletter. I'm excited.

@ncfrontiersman

So I feel like I'm one of the rest of us too, so.

@omarchyftrou

Terrific.

@NixFred

Hey, make sure everybody follows everybody. We're a tight group. We're a small group, and we're focused and all have the same drive.

@NixFred

So make sure you follow everybody in the thing. And I'm doing my best to follow everybody.

@NixFred

I've already been rate-limited, but I'm following as many as I can. What's next?

@omarchyftrou

Yeah. I've been rate-limited myself several times, so.

@NixFred

That's right.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Well, I hope you have a great afternoon or evening, wherever you are, Catherine.

@omarchyftrou

Okay. Thank you.

@NixFred

Thank you.

@ncfrontiersman

Let's see. I think it's Snowy and then Ivan after that.

@thebytorsnowdog

Good evening. I'll try and send a little more masculine this week so that Spot doesn't mistake my gender again.

@NixFred

Hey, can you really speak up a couple of notches for us?

@thebytorsnowdog

Yeah. Sorry. It's just it's nearly 9:00 PM here in Scotland, so I was just keeping my voice down a bit.

@thebytorsnowdog

That's fine. It was really just I wanted to say how much I'm enjoying the Omarchy community still.

@thebytorsnowdog

I've already been this week. I've put my first Omarchy app up.

@thebytorsnowdog

I have submitted four bugs to the Bug Bounty, which is something I never thought I'd be involved in because I'm actually a civil engineer. I trained in putting pipes in the ground to put water through them, not to put software through a computer.

@thebytorsnowdog

So it's a bit of a new thing for me. But the one thing I wanted to make a big shout-out to is a little plug-in I found that I've been using extensively called Omarchy Doctor that I believe you may have heard of.

@thebytorsnowdog

It's provided me with some serious benefits already. In fact, it's running through a problem as we speak on my Omarchy laptop.

@thebytorsnowdog

So thank you, Fred, for that because that is a great thing. And I'm feeling much happier with how my system is running now that I have Omarchy Doctor looking after it for me.

@ncfrontiersman

Wonderful. Wonderful. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I had to check that out.

@ncfrontiersman

I heard about that earlier this week. So what's one of the bugs you found?

@thebytorsnowdog

Well, I wouldn't take too much credit for it because, like everything else in the world, I didn't find that my agents found it for me. And I had to get my agents to tell me how do I fill in a bug report on HackerOne and how do I do all the different steps in it. But it has submitted now four bugs.

@thebytorsnowdog

One has been found to be a duplicate, which is fine. I would rather something gets reported twice than not at all.

@thebytorsnowdog

But the other three bugs are deemed high-risk bugs. There's one around sandbox taps can run commands on your host via a notification click.

@thebytorsnowdog

One about the Sunshine Admin web app launches a default Chromium profile with ignore certificate errors. And another one about a Pacman repo bug.

@thebytorsnowdog

So they're all currently sitting in the queue waiting to be looked at. I was just really pleased to be able to feel like I was providing some benefit by helping other people.

@thebytorsnowdog

I did the Apple MLX check. So because I have an M5 Max MacBook Pro, which is my main computer, I could feed into that.

@thebytorsnowdog

It's just really nice feeling like part of an actual community and feeling like we are collaborating to try and make this Omarchy thing better for everyone around us. So more than happy to submit PRs if I can help with something.

@thebytorsnowdog

I hate to admit it, but I always end the week with spare tokens left. So I'm always looking for ways to burn through some of my codecs or my cloud tokens or whatever.

@thebytorsnowdog

So if there is stuff I can be doing on that to help, then I'm more than happy to be doing it. And it's just great that this has become a thing that I've discovered.

@thebytorsnowdog

I'm 50 years of age, and I've only just discovered that this kind of thing can happen. And I'm like, "Well, where has this been for the last 30 years of my life?"

@ncfrontiersman

Amen.

@thebytorsnowdog

It's something I've clearly been missing for all this time because it feels really good to be a part of.

@NixFred

Well, Snowy, you're showing how anybody can jump in, just like Catherine just did the last call. And as a civil engineer, I believe you put out OmaMap, which is an open-source spatial data viewer, right?

@thebytorsnowdog

Yeah. That was a work project. We used a software called ArcGIS, but my company had the version of it we had wasn't operating very well.

@thebytorsnowdog

And I just decided to take it upon myself. Could I make something that works better than this?

@thebytorsnowdog

So I created a proof of concept of an MVP product. Like we've talked about as well, I put it through Codex, I put it through Cloud Code, and I got them to fight each other.

@thebytorsnowdog

I kind of said, "Look, I want you to go in and check this and look for bugs." Then I'll get the other one right.

@thebytorsnowdog

Somebody else says this is good. You go in and check if a bug, see if you can do better than the other agent did.

@thebytorsnowdog

So that's sitting with my IT department of work. But anyone who works in a large corporate entity knows that IT departments are where good ideas go to die and then eventually become a bad idea.

@thebytorsnowdog

So I just decided, "Can I just take this and make it an Omarchy plugin slash app that people could use?" So I did.

@thebytorsnowdog

I just went and blew a couple of million tokens, converting it, and now again doing the Codex. Codex thinks this is a good idea.

@thebytorsnowdog

Claude, go away and find out what's wrong with it. And then Claude thinks this is a good idea.

@thebytorsnowdog

Codex, go away and find out what you can find that's wrong with it. Did that a couple of times and then put it up on my GitHub for people to check.

@NixFred

Wow. Amazing, brother. Well, thanks for dropping by and keep the good fight up, man.

@NixFred

You're leading and showing that any of us can contribute, any of us can be a part of this thing, and we love you in the community.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. I want to hear more about that GIS app later.

@ncfrontiersman

I'm into maps and that kind of stuff a lot.

@NixFred

Never. Never.

@ncfrontiersman

Wow. Yeah. I mean, just one comment on I'm just thinking about when you think about how operating systems were built in the past versus how Omarchy is being built, it's pretty wild, the difference.

@ncfrontiersman

It's so stark because DOS, Windows, even Mac and all that, it was kind of built inside this ivory tower, right, where you had to have certain credentials and sign off your blood to even look at the source code.

@ncfrontiersman

And now it's like and I think DHH is a big part of this. It's like we're going to democratize this, put it out to the people.

@ncfrontiersman

And the ones that want to fix it are the ones that get the chance to fix it. And I think that passion takes you so far with doing a good job and with quality.

@ncfrontiersman

And then the agents kind of just kind of take you that next step. And so it's just wild to think.

@ncfrontiersman

It's no longer in this ivory tower. It's been spread out and spread amongst.

@ncfrontiersman

Everybody is just kind of helping out. It's like a true community-built operating system in the most true way.

@ncfrontiersman

And I think it's beautiful. So thanks for sharing, Snowy.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman

Ivan, you're up. What's going on?

@TheAITradeoff

Hello, everyone. Can you guys hear me okay?

@NixFred

We can.

@TheAITradeoff

Sweet. I just wanted to quickly touch on what Wes Grimes was saying about the agent takes you the rest of the way, right? I'm not a programmer or developer, but I've always had tons of ideas that I've had difficulty trying to program.

@TheAITradeoff

And I feel like ever since I've kind of really delved deep into trying to understand AI agents' harnesses, I've really been able to take it to the next step. And that's kind of Omarchy and the Omarchy community kind of pushes you into trying new things.

@TheAITradeoff

You have an idea, try it out. And the Omarchy distro really just kind of doesn't put any walls in front of you, which I really enjoy.

@ncfrontiersman

That's right. That's right. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

I mean, that's how it should be, I think. I mean, there is an argument for security, right, and some important things.

@ncfrontiersman

But I think for the most part, the things we're doing aren't that I don't mean this in a bad way, but they're not that serious. We're building tools that help us.

@ncfrontiersman

They're fun to use again and solve problems. And as long as the core operating system itself is solid and secure, we can build on that platform.

@ncfrontiersman

And we shouldn't have this fear of, "I'm not an expert. I shouldn't touch it."

@ncfrontiersman

No, you should. You should get it.

@TheAITradeoff

Yeah. I think getting a good understanding of the security vulnerabilities of letting your agent do everything, I think that should be the forefront for anybody. But I think just something that, for example, that's really so I downloaded the Omarchy distro on my Evo X2 about a week ago, and I've been messing with that, and I've been loving it.

@TheAITradeoff

And then I was able to get the M1 Air installed with Omarchy last night. And something that I've built last night and this morning was a MeshCore app, a plug-in that I can use on my computer and connect my MeshCore nodes and my repeaters.

@TheAITradeoff

And I've had this idea with being able to message my local machine using the MeshCore network. And I tried building something similar on my M4 Mac a couple weeks, months ago, and it just was giving me so many issues that I just kind of gave up.

@TheAITradeoff

But I retried with Omarchy, and I was able to get it running. So now I'm able to message my local machine as well as message my local models using the MeshCore network without any cellular data or internet.

@TheAITradeoff

So that's one thing where I'm like, "Yes, that's what I've been wanting."

@ncfrontiersman

It's like that TV show, Silicon Valley, right, where they had the internet.

@TheAITradeoff

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

The alternate internet. That's awesome.

@TheAITradeoff

Yeah. So I'm thinking in emergency situations where there's an outage and you can't connect to the internet, but you still want to use models. And currently, models that run on your phone just aren't that good.

@TheAITradeoff

But if I can always carry a MeshCore node with me in case of some emergency, I need to get some information from my models on my main machine, then I am able to do that. And I'm like, "Okay, that's very freeing."

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. You should write an article or a blog or even just a tweet about it. I think a lot of people would like to hear about it.

@TheAITradeoff

All right. Yeah. Thanks.

@TheAITradeoff

I'm definitely going to do that. I'm working on the plug-in right now and putting it in the marketplace.

@TheAITradeoff

It should be ready to go in here in a day or two.

@ncfrontiersman

Sweet. Well, it's good to hear from you, man.

@TheAITradeoff

Yeah. Both of you guys, you, Wes Grimes, and Nix, thanks for letting me speak.

@ncfrontiersman

You bet, man. That's why we're here.

@TheAITradeoff

Have a good day.

@ncfrontiersman

You too, brother. All right. I think we got King Maker.

@ncfrontiersman

And then after that, we got Super Friendly Aviator who's been helping me with Omastorm, so.

@Kingmk3r

Howdy, y'all from Texas. This is King Maker.

@ncfrontiersman

What's up, brother?

@Kingmk3r

How are you?

@ncfrontiersman

Doing fantastic, man. Good to hear your voice.

@Kingmk3r

Well, it's good to hear a bunch of enthusiasts. It's a lonely world out there. You mention Omarchy and people are like, "What?"

@ncfrontiersman

Yes.

@Kingmk3r

So it's good to find like-minded people. By the way, I wanted to just let everybody know that we're going to do an Omarchy meetup here for enthusiasts in Austin on Friday. So that's on Luna.

@Kingmk3r

You can go sign up over there.

@ncfrontiersman

Man, you must I bet that one's going to blow up because I mean, come on. It's Austin, Texas.

@Kingmk3r

We're a total of five people so far, so.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, thanks. I think it's going to be one of the things where it might start a little slow, but then once wind gets out and you have a couple, it's probably going to blow up. So be ready.

@Kingmk3r

Yeah. I kind of did not really think about this enough before I posted it up because it is ACL weekend and it's raining and it's muddy out there and everybody's in town. And on Friday night at a coffee shop, it's probably going to be impossible.

@Kingmk3r

We'll see. There'll be a post.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, it's post-March, right?

@Kingmk3r

Yeah. We will have door prices there for oldest potato and best potato setup. So if you are in the area, I know you guys are spread out all over the world, but if you are in the area here, we'd love to have you.

@ncfrontiersman

That's fun.

@Kingmk3r

Yeah. That's kind of all I wanted to say, guys.

@ncfrontiersman

Thanks for coming by. Everybody's welcome. And you're proof.

@ncfrontiersman

We even allow kings to speak.

@Kingmk3r

I think I better change my handle here. It's kind of become a poisoned word. I bet.

@ncfrontiersman

Hey. It's all good. Hey.

@ncfrontiersman

You are here.

@Kingmk3r

Remember Game of Thrones? So that's kind of where it came from, so.

@ncfrontiersman

Makes sense. Gotcha.

@Kingmk3r

Not speaking to kings. Yeah. Thanks, guys.

@ncfrontiersman

Thanks, man. All right. Aviator, what's going on?

@flyawayzephyr60

Hey. How are you guys doing?

@ncfrontiersman

Fantastic. I'm so good I can stand it. That's how good I'm doing.

@flyawayzephyr60

Well, I saw Wes post one day about how he was running low on tokens, and I decided to just shoot him a message and say, "Hey." Well, I guess we started the dialogue with, "Hey, I really like Omastorm. I'd like to see it in my ops room because in real life, I'm a chief pilot for a private charter company."

@flyawayzephyr60

And I thought, "Maybe one of these days it'd be cool to see that in the ops room." And then I saw him post that he was running low on tokens.

@flyawayzephyr60

And so I said, "Hey, let me add an aviation layer." And he's like, "Go for it."

@ncfrontiersman

That's cool.

@flyawayzephyr60

It was a lot of fun.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I love it. I love that somebody you're there.

@ncfrontiersman

We can chat about bugs or issues together. It's great to have you helping out, man.

@flyawayzephyr60

Yeah. Well, I mean, this is just such a I was a software engineer before I was a pilot. And this is like the first time in 20 years that computers have been fun again because so many barriers have been knocked down.

@flyawayzephyr60

In fact, like yesterday, kind of just for fun, I made my kids a game. I made my daughter a princess game and my son a little they're two and four, a little planes and trains kind of game.

@flyawayzephyr60

And it was done in half an hour.

@flyawayzephyr60

And I started it and put him in front of it, and they're having a blast.

@ncfrontiersman

Can you imagine 20 years ago? I mean, just that we're having these conversations is so wild, what you can do now.

@flyawayzephyr60

Yeah. Seriously, not even 20 years ago, like 20 minutes ago, you wouldn't just sit down at the computer and say, "You know what? I would like to write a C++ video game this afternoon."

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I know. It's wild.

@ncfrontiersman

I mean, yeah, it is just it's like the stuff we saw in movies growing up as kids is really happening. So hopefully, the bad stuff like Terminator don't happen, but we'll see.

@flyawayzephyr60

Well, that's out of our hands, right?

@ncfrontiersman

That's right. Sure is. Well, awesome.

@ncfrontiersman

So you're a charter pilot, and you have found Omarchy and Omastorm, and you said, "Let me jump in and start contributing." I think that's the way it goes with all this community.

@ncfrontiersman

It's just like you don't need special permission to work on this stuff. You don't need somebody to reach out to you.

@ncfrontiersman

Reach out. If any of y'all want to get involved, just reach out to anybody here that's building something or built something yourself and say, "Hey, is there something I could help with or whatever?"

@ncfrontiersman

And that's always a good way to get in and get involved. And a lot of times, you make friends, you make connections more than just building software together.

@ncfrontiersman

And I think you should not go through life alone. I think community is the way we were designed to be in, right?

@ncfrontiersman

And so this is just some of us can't go into these in-person communities as easily for different reasons. And so this is just another opportunity to be in community.

@ncfrontiersman

So I think we should keep it up.

@flyawayzephyr60

Yeah. Well, that project was a lot of fun. And when I get a minute or two, I might jump in on another one, or I might start something and ask you guys to jump in and help me.

@ncfrontiersman

You bet. Oh, yeah. That sounds great.

@ncfrontiersman

Well.

@flyawayzephyr60

And I might throw those games up on a repo just for the fun of it. Who knows?

@ncfrontiersman

You know what? Putting your stuff in a repo, even if you don't share it out, keep it private. It's really important just to it's kind of a stash away to keep your own stuff and have a backup, if you will, so if anything happens.

@ncfrontiersman

So I encourage you. I've got I don't know how many repos, and probably half of them are private.

@ncfrontiersman

My agent knows if I start working on a project and it gets past the third prompt, then it's time to make a repo. And even if it's garbage, just make sure you save your work.

@ncfrontiersman

Come on. Come on.

@ncfrontiersman

Put everything you can up into whatever your repo of choice is.

@flyawayzephyr60

Yep. That's a good idea. That's a good idea.

@ncfrontiersman

Can't wait to play the game, Super.

@flyawayzephyr60

All right. Talk to you guys.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Speak from you. Anybody else?

@ncfrontiersman

Super was the last one lined up. We got time for.

@NixFred

All right. Well, while we're waiting on a topic, I've got the top 10 signs you've been Omarchy-pilled.

@NixFred

How about that, Wes? Want to hear that?

@ncfrontiersman

Good.

@NixFred

All right. Number 10, you found a MacBook at the Apple Store already running Omarchy, and that was _James Almeida this week. Number 9, your laptop has a better travel life than you do because you see all these people traveling around with Omarchy and having fun with it.

@NixFred

Number 8, you reach for the Super Key on your work Mac. How many of you have done that where you get on your Mac and immediately hit the Super Key and figure out it doesn't work?

@NixFred

Oh, yeah. Number 7, somebody told you Omarchy is just dot files, and you laugh and agree because now Omarchy has millions of dollars to work with.

@NixFred

So if you want to call it dot files, a millionaire dot files, be my guest. Number 6, you converted a coworker before the you converted a coworker before you even had that talk at the meeting, and that was renata.com.

@NixFred

Number 7, moving along. You keep an Omarchy resurrection queue of all your dead laptops in the garage, and you want to get to all of them.

@NixFred

Number 4, you learned every keyboard shortcut from opening up a game, and now you're on Hyperland like a strato coaster. You're just killing it.

@NixFred

Number 3, your Steam Deck runs Omarchy, and the back button scrolls. Number 1, you put a Windows XP wallpaper on your 2016 MacBook running Omarchy, just a mess with people.

@NixFred

And the number 1 is that there is now a $100,000 bounty for founding bugs in Omarchy, and you've suddenly become interested in testing it.

@NixFred

That's good. We got to do that every week.

@NixFred

All right. I'll put it down.

@NixFred

Enough of my ridiculousness. I'll approve folks in, and you roll them out.

@flyawayzephyr60

Hey, I just wanted to tell you guys real quick that if you have to stay with a Mac, like if it's the work computer and you can't change it, aerospace with Omarchy key bindings, use the what is it?

@flyawayzephyr60

Carabiner held down caps lock as a Super Key is a super duper setup.

@NixFred

That's amazing input. I want to do stuff like that with my Mac, but it's kind of work, kind of play, and it just makes me nervous messing with it. But I need to get over that and do it.

@NixFred

I think that's good advice, man.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, I was going to say, Fred, he told me about that the other day, and I've been doing it ever since on my work Mac, so.

@NixFred

Yeah. It's aggravating. It's aggravating.

@ncfrontiersman

It's great. I love it. It's not quite as good, but hey, it's close, so that's wonderful.

@ncfrontiersman

I saw some people request it, but then they dropped out from the request.

@NixFred

Yeah. I approved them, and then they dropped off. So I don't know.

@NixFred

So if you're itching to speak, now's your chance. Come on up.

@NixFred

If not, you're going to have to listen to another top 10 list. I did see that Omarchy now, and we're not promoting any businesses or anything, but one of the first companies that you can buy Omarchy already installed, not that it's that hard, but if you go to I believe it's the Linux laptop.

@NixFred

We're not promoting it. The linuxlaptop.com, you can buy a laptop with it already on there, and they're at the Linux laptop on X.

@NixFred

I think James Almeida is involved in that and Sunderby and a couple of other folks as well.

@ncfrontiersman

Wonderful. Well, let's see. We got Tim that requested to speak and Starlab and Dark Horse, Jeff.

@NixFred

I'm approving them all, but they're not coming in sometimes. So I'll approve them, and you talk to them.

@ncfrontiersman

Okay. Tim, what's going on?

@tim_sonner

How's the mic level?

@NixFred

Whoop.

@ncfrontiersman

I mean, Fred will probably say you need to speak up, but I'm okay with it.

@NixFred

All right. I can't hear, man. I'm old.

@ncfrontiersman

No, it's okay. It's all good.

@NixFred

It's all good.

@tim_sonner

Hey, so I just wanted to kind of try and keep focused on one topic here. And what I want to bring to the table is contribution to piggyback on what Nick was saying. One of the interesting workflows I developed kind of last week was posting demos of my PRs to X and putting a link to that X post in the PR.

@tim_sonner

And I think that we have a great open community. We're all contributing somehow.

@tim_sonner

And it's really cool to be able to, say, do a demo of your PR, post it on X. It gets everybody involved.

@tim_sonner

They can see what it's doing. And I just thought that was a really cool kind of thing to add for the developers, for the maintainers themselves, and just for yourself.

@tim_sonner

And we've been doing a bit of live streaming stuff lately with Vitorio.

@tim_sonner

And so I would encourage everybody to try live streaming, do some public code-building stuff, and yeah, just get active out there. I have a MacBook 2020.

@tim_sonner

I am more than willing to help out with any Mac questions. I'm running Omarchy on it.

@tim_sonner

It's kind of my extra. It's not my main.

@tim_sonner

But I've been figuring out a lot of stuff with the fingerprint reader with that T2 Intel Mac. And so, yeah, I would highly encourage people that if they're having issues with that hardware or anything like that with Omarchy and that Mac, just reach out to the community.

@tim_sonner

And I'd be more than if I can help, I'd be more than happy to do that. Like today even, I did something new.

@tim_sonner

I was like, "Hey, post a gist for Nick's Fred so that he can give that to his agent." And I mean, the collaboration that we're able to do now with agents is incredible.

@tim_sonner

And I just would encourage everybody to kind of not let any fear get in your way of contributing. If this is a great community and you have the tools to contribute.

@NixFred

That's right. That's right. Well, hey, you're talking to one of the guys on the M team.

@NixFred

Wes is official part of Omarchy, so make sure you communicate. I don't want to send too many people your way, Wes, but if you've got questions on the M series for Macintosh, Wes is on the official team himself.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Apparently, I am. So I'm just kidding.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I don't even know if there's there's so many things, right, that we could use help with.

@ncfrontiersman

So I appreciate it. And so you're using a 2020, Tim.

@ncfrontiersman

You said this Intel-based one.

@tim_sonner

Yes, sir. Yeah. MacBook 9.1.

@ncfrontiersman

Gotcha. Awesome. Yeah, man, this stuff runs on almost anything.

@ncfrontiersman

It's so cool. That's really great.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, let's see. Who else is lined up?

@ncfrontiersman

I thought we had Starlab was going to speak, but it now says listening.

@NixFred

Well, I think it's Spaces, man. I think whoever works on Spaces is part-time over at X because it's pretty yanky sometimes. If you want to speak, speak up.

@NixFred

I'll approve you, and Wes will have a chat with you. There's one Wes.

@NixFred

Stand by.

@ncfrontiersman

All right.

@NixFred

All right. We got Starlab. Starlab?

@NixFred

Pardon the see if that puts you up there. Starlab, are you there?

@NixFred

Yeah. Something's going on with the code.

@ncfrontiersman

Maybe we just need to write our own.

@NixFred

Yeah. There we go.

@ncfrontiersman

Let's see.

@NixFred

Maybe it's me. See if you can approve them.

@ncfrontiersman

Called to construct, hopped in.

@NixFred

There we go.

@ncfrontiersman

Let's do that. How's it going?

@calledtocnstrct

Hey, how you doing?

@ncfrontiersman

It's so good I can't stand it.

@calledtocnstrct

It's excellent, isn't it?

@ncfrontiersman

It is.

@calledtocnstrct

I'll tell you, what's been really interesting with Omarchy, I think I started with just before version 3 came out. And then, of course, to see this explosion with Quatro is just amazing. And so what I've been looking at is all these plugins that are popping up, and it's just amazing.

@calledtocnstrct

I'm thinking, "Oh, my gosh, these ideas are just coming out of everywhere." And because of that, I have kind of two things, but not two topics.

@calledtocnstrct

Just want to keep it pretty straightforward there. But one thing I'll say as a quick sideline, somebody mentioned building a game.

@calledtocnstrct

I've been a software developer for decades, and my daughter I have grandchildren as well, but my daughter always has these great ideas for her kids. And she sent me a couple of ideas like, "Could you build a game like this?"

@calledtocnstrct

Which I think is really cool. But I'm working full-time.

@calledtocnstrct

It's not easy to build a game. Well, just yesterday, I took a laptop down, and I put it in front of her with running Omarchy, and I brought up Grok Build.

@calledtocnstrct

And I said, "Here, type into this text editor an idea for a game." And she sat down and typed it up.

@calledtocnstrct

It took her about 15 minutes. And then I copied and pasted it over to Grok Build.

@calledtocnstrct

And then we had a conversation. We were just sitting there talking for about half an hour.

@calledtocnstrct

And then it said, "Done." And I said, "This could go horribly wrong, so don't get your expectations up too much, but let's see what happens."

@calledtocnstrct

It was a single HTML file with CSS and JavaScript. Opened it up, and the kids swarmed the table.

@calledtocnstrct

And it was hard to get everybody organized, but each of the kids sat down and started playing. And then my daughter was playing, my son-in-law was playing, and it was touchscreen, so it was so exciting to watch.

@ncfrontiersman

Wow.

@calledtocnstrct

So that was a lot of fun. But I keep looking around saying, "Could I build a plugin? I can't think of an idea for a plugin," which I think is hilarious.

@calledtocnstrct

But what I did come across was this idea that we have all these great plugins. We have all these great applications.

@calledtocnstrct

It's open source. And so I've been playing around with this idea of a bundle.

@calledtocnstrct

I can't think of a better name for it. So I've been calling it a bundle.

@calledtocnstrct

And essentially, it's a way of saying, "I want to have these three or four applications, these two plugins, and some skill files to go with it so that if somebody's using their AI, they can use these tools and applications, and the AI can kind of help them understand how to get the most use out of these things." And then maybe you package it up with an introduction markdown file to explain it.

@calledtocnstrct

And now I'm sitting here building bundles in my GitHub, pulling together ideas. And so we had with the aviation, I was thinking, "What would an aviation bundle look like?

@calledtocnstrct

What applications would somebody in that industry use, and what plugins, and how would they incorporate these things together?" And so that's kind of what I've been playing around with.

@calledtocnstrct

And I'm just kind of curious to hear some feedback. Is this a silly idea, or can you see yourself using this to put together things?

@calledtocnstrct

Even if you just want to replicate to your own machines the tools that you tend to use, or could you see this idea of kind of like bundling these things together? So I'm kind of curious what people would have to say about that.

@ncfrontiersman

I mean, I think it's amazing. I could think of so many different uses for that. I mean, it could be, like you said, aviation or whatever, but it could even be like I'm thinking like high schoolers.

@ncfrontiersman

You could have a bundle for them to learn how to build whatever ideas that they have, like a kit.

@ncfrontiersman

You got like the Mark Rober STEM engineering kits that come in the mail and stuff like that. But this could be like a thing where you come up with this builder's kit, and it comes with everything you need to kind of get started, and you just go off with that.

@ncfrontiersman

I mean, I also think about right now, there's a lot of industries that have software that is super highly customized.

@ncfrontiersman

They hired a company to build it. I mean, I used to be one of those companies, like commercial insurance or whatever you want to say.

@ncfrontiersman

And it's like you have this highly custom piece of software, and it's really hard to maintain. It's expensive.

@ncfrontiersman

A lot of times, after a few years, people stop. They don't know how to write code in that old language anymore, and so you got to figure that out.

@ncfrontiersman

And so if you had these kits that are kind of AI-native and forward that work in Omarchy, I think there's a lot of use cases there, so. And I don't think it has to be complicated.

@ncfrontiersman

I think kind of what you're talking about is just really like orchestration or organization of installing the different plugins that make it up and then some good skills to kind of point it in the right direction. I could see something like this being part of Omarchy.

@NixFred

100%.

@ncfrontiersman

You know what I mean?

@NixFred

Yeah. And also called to construct. I took a look at your promisemeaforever.com, and it looks amazing.

@NixFred

And leading people to how the world can be a more positive place is incredible. And the way that you talk about putting things together, what I would say to you is, if you've got that idea and you think that you and it's important to you, and you think putting things like that together would be worthwhile, well, guess what, man?

@NixFred

If you have that idea, other people probably need the same and can't articulate it as well as you do. And so if you think of it, put it out there.

@NixFred

And then there's one final thing I want to say about what you talked about earlier.

@NixFred

So important to get the kids and the younger generation onto Linux before they even see Windows and the other thing. And I think it's amazing the way that you, instead of saying sure to your daughters, "Yeah, I'll make you that game," the key thing that in my mind, the key thing that you did there was make them invest in it.

@NixFred

And you said, "Sit down, and you got to write your own game." And I think that was the hinge point.

@NixFred

And you're going to remember this, and they're going to remember this because it did a couple of things. And the most important piece is it made them invest in it.

@NixFred

They got to see the output. And I think that you taught them and educated them on what the possibilities are.

@NixFred

Their next step, and I don't think it's going to be too much farther before they go, "Dad, how do I do that myself? Would you show me how?

@NixFred

Because I got a couple of more ideas." And as soon as that happens, and as soon as they see their ideas come to life and how easy it is to actually do, they're going to be bitten by the bug, and that's it.

@NixFred

For the rest of their life, they're going to be able to make their own products, and they're going to be able to drive a computer with confidence. And the thing with kids is that their confidence levels have to be up, or they're scared of it, and they won't use it.

@NixFred

And what you did was build a bridge for these kids to feel like that their input matters, that the things that they want to make are possible. And I commend you, man.

@NixFred

That's amazing.

@calledtocnstrct

Yeah. Well, thank you for that. I'll tell you, the other thing I did, I kind of forgot to mention it, was last week when I talked with when I visited my kids and my grandkids, I asked them, I said, "What's your favorite subject?"

@calledtocnstrct

And one was like Pokémon. One was ice cream.

@calledtocnstrct

One was Monster Trucks. I built a theme.

@calledtocnstrct

I had Grok build a theme for all of those subjects. And so then I had each one of them come over to the laptop, and I said, "Here's what your laptop looks like."

@calledtocnstrct

And I taught them Super Space. And it's like that's kind of one of the only things you really have to know.

@calledtocnstrct

And then Super W to close. And they just thought it was incredible.

@calledtocnstrct

And then they came up with like 1,000 different theme ideas they wanted to have. But it was so much fun.

@calledtocnstrct

It was like the best week I've had in a long time. Regarding the bundles, I do have a discussion out on the Omarchi project.

@calledtocnstrct

There's a discussion for it. If people like the idea, if you comment and upvote, I think that would help get some visibility.

@calledtocnstrct

If you have alternate ideas or something that we could collaborate on, definitely let me know. I've got some other ideas out there.

@calledtocnstrct

I'm trying to help out with triage and do some PRs with the Omarchi packaging to get some risk and controls in there. And so anyway, if you want to collaborate on anything, let me know.

@ncfrontiersman

I'm going to fire off a tweet on that right now, and I'll retweet it to the folks here in this social, and we'll keep it going. So I'll keep watching your space. Throw a tweet up there.

@ncfrontiersman

Let's retweet it, and let's see how far we can get you.

@calledtocnstrct

And thanks so much for doing these spaces. It's been so much fun tuning in and listening and meeting all the people that are showing up. It's Omarchi.

@NixFred

Well, you got Wes to thank for the original idea doing that. And let me ask you one last question, man. And if you want to speak, please go ahead and request.

@NixFred

Let me ask you a question. This may be a little personal.

@NixFred

When we're using the computer, for me, Omarchi kind of gets me back to that kid excitement feeling. For me, it does.

@NixFred

That Disney World excitement. And did you get a touch of that when you saw your kids' faces light up when they saw their own ideas come to light?

@calledtocnstrct

Oh, absolutely. So my first interaction with the computer was when I was 11 on an original IBM. So I've been in the industry for decades, giving away my age a little bit, but I don't mind.

@calledtocnstrct

And when I could sit down and my father taught mathematics. When I could sit down and he was like, "Oh, if you want to learn how to program, here, do this equation and plot it on the screen."

@calledtocnstrct

And so I had to learn how to put the machine into graphics mode and then plot in pixels on the screen when I'm like 11, 12 years old. And it was just a whole new world opened up.

@calledtocnstrct

And nobody was around to share it with. But I could still I could sit down and I could learn something.

@calledtocnstrct

I could get the computer to do something. And my desire has always been to help other people to be able to do that, to feel empowered, to be able to drive technology to where you need it to be for yourself.

@calledtocnstrct

And so attending meetups and helping people onboard to IT, all these kinds of things I've been able to do. But my kids have always felt like they couldn't necessarily do that.

@calledtocnstrct

They're busy. They got their families to take care of.

@calledtocnstrct

And this is one of those things that's always been a specialized. You had to spend years and years and years to learn it.

@calledtocnstrct

And now my daughter, who's middle-aged, has four kids, never written a program in her life. Even at college, she was in a different program, and she didn't need to get into computer programming.

@calledtocnstrct

And she sat down, and within half an hour, she had a game that all four of the kids could play. And even the adults had fun.

@calledtocnstrct

It was amazing.

@NixFred

That is wonderful, Bruce. Thank you for stopping by and sharing your story. And I kind of got a little touch of that feeling myself, man.

@NixFred

Thank you so much for stopping by.

@calledtocnstrct

Awesome. Thank you.

@NixFred

Hey, Mark. We got an expert in the room. Marcelo is our next speaker, and he is a principal engineer and architect.

@NixFred

I can't say where, but he's a big shot. Marcelo, bro, are you as bummed out as me about the Nvidia cutting the RAM in half on the Spark?

@NixFred

I saw your post on that. It's ridiculous.

@maralcbr

You mean the four monitors running on the M2 Max?

@NixFred

Yeah. So Nvidia, I saw your post about it. They basically cut the RAM on the DGX Spark in half to 64, and they priced the same.

@maralcbr

Yeah. So something hello, everyone. My name is Marcelo.

@maralcbr

I work with the Omarchi team, focusing on the M1 Max, the Apple silicon. But what I do as a for career, yeah, I am an AI engineer and architect.

@maralcbr

I have been doing that for the last three years and a half over my 25 years of software engineering career. And yeah, one of the topics that I'm quite interested in and I consult on is around tokenomics, is around how companies can optimize their AI given the costs that keep fluctuating, right?

@maralcbr

And this example was exactly that. A machine that was supposed to bring local AI more and more accessible, they just basically doubled the price, right?

@maralcbr

If you half the RAM, you're basically doubling the price of the machine, and it was quite disappointing. But not only that, like last week, OpenAI cut half of the credits from their Pro 200 account.

@maralcbr

Every week, something happens, right? And it has been usually around reducing credits to increasing, although they claim the models are being optimized, but you never know the quantization they are using, right?

@maralcbr

They say the model, but what's becoming more and more obvious is that they release the models at full quant. And then as weeks pass by, they start to quantize them so that they can fit more models in the GPU.

@maralcbr

And that's what people are starting to measure right around the nerfing, right? People talk about the nerfing of the models.

@maralcbr

That's exactly that. You see the models, it's still the same model, but they perform a bit better.

@maralcbr

And the guess from the industry is around quantization. There is no transparency around the quantization.

@maralcbr

But hey, this space is about Omarchi, right?

@NixFred

Yeah, man.

@maralcbr

But no, we are super excited with what's coming on Omarchi, like our Aurora kernel. So we have been able to give more and more compatibility to machines. We have people working on all models all the way from, well, M2 and M1 and M2 are cracked, right, beside Touch ID, which we are already finalizing testing.

@maralcbr

So Touch ID is coming out. But we have people working on the GPU for M3, M4, M5, and M6, and the Neo, right?

@maralcbr

The Neo is like 95% complete. So the idea is that we're going to be supporting all models.

@maralcbr

And even today, I saw that Wes put something in relation to if it was Asahi, right? So no, it's not.

@maralcbr

We are for Asahi, and we're going our own direction that we Asahi has a rule that they don't support AI, and we are very much AI-driven, right?

@maralcbr

We have some senior people, and we try to use AI with an engineering approach. And we are getting very successful with this approach, and we're going to keep pushing and the idea that Omarchi is going to be in all models.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

I think the guy's question was, are we going to be contributing this to Asashi or whatever, however you pronounce it. And I said, no, I didn't want to get too into the weeds, but I appreciate you saying that.

@ncfrontiersman

We've worked it. We have good reason for that.

@ncfrontiersman

And yeah, I mean, I think there's this implication that if you use AI, that you're just vibe coding. That's not what's happening at all here.

@ncfrontiersman

There is very strict engineering practices being put into the way we build this stuff. And so you should feel at ease knowing that that's happening.

@ncfrontiersman

It's just some people don't get that nuance, I think. So yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, it's good to hear from you. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

There's a lot coming for Max very soon. I mean, there's been a lot of momentum, so I think it'll land pretty soon here.

@ncfrontiersman

So yeah, anything else you want to share? Aside from all that, Marcelo, are you building anything, any plugins or apps?

@maralcbr

Oh, yeah. I was going to share one. So I don't know.

@maralcbr

Do you use Plex? Wes, Nix, do you use Plex for your videos at home?

@NixFred

Oh, yeah.

@maralcbr

Yeah. So Plex has been over time just reducing the features too, right? It's starting to ask for subscriptions.

@maralcbr

And I don't know if you have that live pass. I never got one.

@NixFred

Yeah, I got it back when it was 50 bucks, years back ago.

@maralcbr

Yeah. Now I need to pay monthly, right?

@NixFred

Yeah.

@maralcbr

So a couple of weeks ago, I decided that I was going to create my own Plex.

@NixFred

Nice.

@maralcbr

I'm still trying to land the name for that, but I'm thinking about calling it Oma Play.

@NixFred

I love it.

@maralcbr

And yeah, I would say it's like 75% complete. Last night, I was doing testing, and it's doing transcriptions. It's doing mapping the episodes you watch to make sure that the positions are correct, that you always finish and go to the next one.

@maralcbr

There's a lot of details that are very interesting that I never thought about before getting into that. But yeah, this is something that I'm excited, a side project that I'm excited that's going to be coming out.

@maralcbr

And yeah, maybe it's going to be Oma Play.

@NixFred

Hey. I'm willing to jump in on you because I'm a big movie fan just like everybody else. So hit me up if you want me to poke around in it.

@NixFred

Happy to help. I often PR for folks, and I'm happy to do it for you.

@maralcbr

Yeah. Let's go.

@NixFred

Send it over. You can't flex too if you want.

@maralcbr

Yeah.

@NixFred

You know what I'm saying? You're flexing on Plex, right? Oh, man, that's awesome.

@NixFred

Cool. Well, that's awesome.

@ncfrontiersman

It's always fun to have one of those pet projects that you kind of feel passionate about and you have fun that's different from the grind of kernel work. Because the kernel work and all that, there's a lot of rebooting and waiting.

@ncfrontiersman

Feedback loops pretty slow sometimes. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

You want that opening that quick hit where you see your results immediately and you don't effectively get that on kernel work.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. But it's interesting. Sometimes I'm going to make a behind-the-scenes video sometime to show the lab here.

@ncfrontiersman

So for example, I have one laptop controlling another three laptops, and they have cables to the VGM. So they can cold boot the laptops to retest kernel.

@ncfrontiersman

And then I have another VM with a beefed up server here that does x86. So when we make changes on the Mac, we retest them on that x86 to make sure it didn't affect in any way the x86 installation.

@ncfrontiersman

So it's really when I mentioned about engineering for the compiling of the kernels like this, it's really we are creating a whole automation to go really at industrial scale, and that's how we can move at all that speed.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

@ncfrontiersman

That's the only way to do it. You spend that time.

@ncfrontiersman

Sometimes it feels like a lot upfront, but it pays off in the long run when you can invest upfront. Pay me now or pay me later kind of thing.

@ncfrontiersman

So I think that's great.

@maralcbr

And I think another thing to share, so Oxyro is working on the local AI, right? And I have been collaborating with him. So one of the things I do is, well, that's my profession, right, around the local AI and tokenomics.

@maralcbr

So I have a multi-GPU server that I'm testing for Oxyro. I don't know if you guys saw a recent post that I did about that.

@maralcbr

But yeah, the local AI is going to be really cool. And the idea is to connect that with MLX for the Mac too at some stage.

@maralcbr

So yeah, it's a cool plugin to install and to load models into your Omarchi machine.

@ncfrontiersman

Wow. Yeah. I mean, I love where that's going.

@ncfrontiersman

I mean, maybe one day we'll get there. We can have it all local.

@ncfrontiersman

Who knows? Wonderful.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, thanks for hopping in, man. It's good to hear from you.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Good. The time zone matched, right?

@ncfrontiersman

I'm here in Australia, East Coast, right? So it's 6:26 in the morning of Monday.

@ncfrontiersman

So you guys are like, oh, what are you doing awake, right?

@ncfrontiersman

Well, thanks for joining, man. You're calling in. You're about to start the week.

@ncfrontiersman

That's great.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. It's holiday here today.

@ncfrontiersman

Okay. All right. Cool.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, I hope you have a good week, Marcelo. Oh, my gosh.

@ncfrontiersman

Is that Hollis? It is.

@ncfrontiersman

Woo. What's up, Chris?

@hicsfh

Hey. Hey, guys. Hey, Fred.

@hicsfh

Hey, Wes.

@NixFred

What's up? Hey, Chris. How's it going?

@hicsfh

Pretty good. Pretty good. Thank you for I feel like I'm falling into a radio.

@ncfrontiersman

I was telling Fred that he used to be on NPR, Click and Clac. I don't know if you remember that.

@hicsfh

That just proves you're old, Chris.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@hicsfh

Yeah. I guess so. Yeah.

@hicsfh

Well, I guess I wanted to is there anything you guys want to ask me? Or you just want me to give my spiel about Apple?

@NixFred

Yeah, man. Let's hear the I mean, you work on so much stuff. I mean, it's hard to keep up with the AI space.

@NixFred

And you make it more difficult, man, because you're just so quick at putting stuff out and helping folks. And I mean, it's amazing.

@NixFred

We want to hear anything you want to talk about.

@hicsfh

All right. Sure. Well, it's a little introduction.

@hicsfh

My Omarchi experience started back with if you can even if you can even trace it that far back, if that's even fair. But I started with OmaCube, which was the original Omakase idea that David had, but he applied it to Ubuntu.

@hicsfh

So OmaCube. It's funny how Omarchi is the perfect name because Oma is the perfect it's like that prefix just goes with anything you want to make.

@hicsfh

You can just put Oma in front of it and you got a name.

@NixFred

That's right. It just sets you up for success automatically. That's right.

@NixFred

Told me it meant grandma too in another language. I can't remember.

@hicsfh

Oh, that's funny. Yeah. Yeah.

@hicsfh

So I started with OmaCube and then switched to Omarchi. I think the great thing for me is and I'm saying it wrong.

@hicsfh

I know. I just can't.

@hicsfh

OmaCube.

@NixFred

We all say it wrong.

@hicsfh

So I switched to that. And I think the greatest thing for me is really I've tried to use Linux many, many, many, many times, and I've always come away with a sense of I don't have time. I just don't have enough time to invest in this to get it to a point where I need it to be.

@hicsfh

So David took kind of together with him and Ryan, they took away the they took that away, and now you have a system where everything's stable pretty much as you would expect it to be, right? Surely stable or more stable than Mac and Windows.

@hicsfh

And that's just fantastic. And the approach now taken with Quatro really pushing on the AI front, which, of course, we were doing before, but now even more so, is quite remarkable.

@hicsfh

And the malleable OS is not just something we say. It's true, and it's extremely powerful.

@hicsfh

I think what I'm most excited about and why I built Atmos is so Atmos is this I'm not really sure, honestly, what product segment it lands in, but let's just say preference pane, config panel, whatever.

@NixFred

I use it every single hour I'm on my machine.

@hicsfh

That's awesome. Makes me extremely happy to hear that. I think I don't know exactly where we're going to end up with it, and I think it's going to be more than just configuration.

@hicsfh

But the idea is that I think the original sort of idea with OmaCube was, okay, you're going to have key bindings, and you're going to use Superspace and Neovim and all that kind of stuff. I'm more of a mouse person.

@hicsfh

I'm not super good at remembering all that stuff. So I needed something where I could get a bird's-eye view of everything on my machine.

@hicsfh

And here's the really cool thing about Linux is you can actually access that. You can access pretty much everything you need to know, if not everything, about your computer.

@hicsfh

It's there. If you know how.

@NixFred

And more that you didn't even realize was there, for sure.

@hicsfh

Yeah. Yeah. And on Windows, I think it's a little bit more easier to find stuff if you're willing to dig into the registry and things like that and all sorts of other crazy things.

@hicsfh

And on Mac, it's almost completely shut down. And it seems like they're even moving closer to shutting things down even more with the full disk thing.

@hicsfh

I saw that earlier. I don't know exactly what that was.

@hicsfh

So the great thing about this is we're building a tool now. You can monitor your PC and not just your CPU, but all sorts of different whatever sensors I can get my hands on, I want to show them in Atmos and also find different and interesting charting and graphing options to show them in a way that's compelling and delightful.

@hicsfh

But we also have ways to control your desktop, ways to control your key bindings, and visualize your key bindings so you can see it all in one place. I think it's a little bit more easier than the key bindings panel you can get up with Superspace.

@hicsfh

We have hardware, drivers, disk, power controls, and just a ton of different things. There's something that if you use Omachi, you may not know that this is a thing, but Omachi has a concept of hooks, which is used to drive a lot of the stuff that goes on behind the scene with the so-called .files/bash scripts.

@hicsfh

So you can even see what hooks are running, and you can add stuff to the hooks. So when an update goes through, maybe you want to have something custom running, you can add that via Atmos.

@hicsfh

And one of the really cool things that I think you contributed, Fred, was the Oma file, which is you can take everything just take it with a grain of salt when I say everything. This is a work in progress.

@hicsfh

It moved very fast. But the idea is that you can export an Oma file, and it's a markdown.

@hicsfh

And that's your invention. It's a readable markdown file that a computer or an ALM can understand.

@hicsfh

And so not only can Atmos itself take that markdown file and parse it as actual data and then set up your entire computer or all the Atmos control settings the way you like them, but you can also hand it off to an LLM and be like, "Here's my Oma file. Can you just forget about Atmos, but just go in and configure everything according to this?"

@NixFred

Yeah. So two things I do with Atmos. Number one is I've got a super key to make it automatically because I use it a lot.

@NixFred

I'm not kidding. I've got a super key that drops it down like a quake terminal so that I can get to it really quick, which I highly recommend.

@NixFred

And the export-import thing, I use that all the time. And because when I'm installing a potato or just something that's kind of a throwaway machine, I don't want to have to configure a bunch.

@NixFred

So I have different Atmos exports that I can just apply the import to really quickly duplicate a machine. So it does two things for me.

@NixFred

It's kind of a backup of my main machine, which I call Gus. And it's also a way to distribute and clone a machine to something else.

@hicsfh

Yep. Yep. And it's actually really, really great.

@hicsfh

And it's so lightweight.

@NixFred

You did great.

@NixFred

And thank you. Thank you. It was an accident.

@NixFred

Tell the story. How was it an accident?

@ncfrontiersman

It's an accident, right?

@hicsfh

It was a happy accident. But yeah.

@NixFred

Okay. Now you got me. I'm intrigued.

@NixFred

What was the accident?

@hicsfh

I mean, it was I think this is kind of one of the key ideas about what we're doing with AI is that I think most of us it's like a human thing. We're made to invent things. It's like one of our primary, I guess, evolutionary advantages is that we just come up with things, and we just want to try them out.

@hicsfh

And with AI for computers, the barrier in order to the idea, which is always the "easy" part, and actually having something that works, that's the hard part. But now with AI, and especially on Omachi, you can go from "I wonder" to actually having something up and running.

@hicsfh

And yeah, I don't remember exactly the chain of events for me, but Atmos right now is way bigger and way cooler and way more amazing than I ever thought it would be.

@NixFred

I agree.

@hicsfh

And then posting about it, it's just not this was not my intention. This was not planned. This is just how it ended up with.

@hicsfh

And it's incredibly cool to have been a part of making that.

@NixFred

Well, I've been calling it for a couple of weeks, and I think it's going to likely end up as a part of the native install myself. I think it'll get there. The only reason it wouldn't is because DHH is a little bit against having global settings, as I understand it.

@NixFred

But it's so useful, man. I use it all the time.

@hicsfh

Yeah. We're having conversations.

@hicsfh

Wes is on that. I'm a member as well.

@hicsfh

I'm a member and volunteer in the, I guess, group or whatever you want to call it. So there are conversations about how we're going to take that part of the system moving forward.

@hicsfh

I obviously cannot speak at all to what that direction is going to be, but there's definitely some, I think, support for maybe if it's not built in, maybe there's a quick that's the great thing about Superspace is you can just if you want something, you can bring it up in, I don't know, 10 seconds. You could have this thing up and running.

@hicsfh

And that's good enough for me as far as being built in. And I think it's a lot the same even though I think Flee is I'm pretty sure Flee is going to land in mainline Omachi.

@NixFred

Yeah. That's by GM, the guy GM.

@hicsfh

Yeah. Yeah. And so that has a lot more I mean, it kind of let's say it's a little bit down the same line, I think, because that is a graphical user interface as well or something that you could definitely use if you are fancy enough with your terminal.

@hicsfh

You could do everything in there. You could do with your GUI.

@hicsfh

But I think it's a good example of something where reaching for the terminal becomes overly complicated compared to using a graphical user interface because there is so much data that you need to read back when you're looking at files and kind of stuff. And I think the same thing applies with these configurations and really the kind of configurations that we want Atmos to kind of be able to do and deal with.

@hicsfh

And I'm talking one of the things that I want to get into is deep, deep Linux configurations, kernel configurations. Another thing that's going on with Omachi is, of course, the bespoke kernel, right?

@hicsfh

That is likely going to open up, in my estimation, a lot more things that we can tweak and configure to our liking.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Totally has. I mean, we've already started with the Mac side, so.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, hey, it's cool to hear from you, Chris. It's exciting everything you've been building and the discovery.

@ncfrontiersman

And I love accidents like that. I mean, to be honest with you, Oma Storm was kind of that way too.

@ncfrontiersman

It wasn't like I had this grand plan. It was just like Labor Day weekend.

@ncfrontiersman

I'm like, "Let me see." And then you kind of stumble and get pulled through it.

@ncfrontiersman

And all of a sudden, you're on the other side, and you're like, "What just happened? This is awesome."

@hicsfh

Yeah. Exactly.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, you're always welcome, Chris. Thank you for dropping by, and thank you for your contribution to the Omachi community, brother. You rock.

@hicsfh

Thank you. You too. Thank you.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, Fred, I think it's that time, man. I think we've been going an hour and 40 minutes. It's been a great.

@NixFred

Wow. Has it already been that long?

@ncfrontiersman

It sure has. It's been a wonderful time today with everybody. I guess you got any closing words of wisdom for us?

@NixFred

Wow, that's a big ask. Wisdom for me, I'm not sure.

@ncfrontiersman

We're dad joke works too.

@NixFred

Yeah. Yeah. So those of you that weren't able to speak today, we apologize.

@NixFred

The most important thing is please, while I'm rambling and closing up here, please follow everybody you're not following, especially the ones that already follow you. Reach out.

@NixFred

Like I always say, the Omachi community helps each other. We're courteous.

@NixFred

We're kind. No politics.

@NixFred

Help an old woman across the street. And after you get her across the street, put Omachi on her laptop.

@ncfrontiersman

There you go. There you go. All right.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, I hope everybody has a wonderful rest of the day and a great week, and we'll see you next time.

@NixFred

All right. Congratulations, Wes. It's amazing.

@ncfrontiersman

Thank you, brother.

@NixFred

Yep. Thank you.

@NixFred

All right. Bye-bye, everybody.

@ncfrontiersman

Bye.

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