EPISODE 05

Sunday Builders Club: The One Where Wes Wants an Omarchy Phone

Sunday, October 11, 2026, 3pm EST109 min12+ speakers238 tuned inrecording 1:41:19
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Summary

as posted on X by @NixFred

Sunday Builders Club, Episode 5:

"The one where Wes wants an Omarchy phone."

Recorded Sunday, October 11, 2026. An hour and 49 minutes, 238 tuned in, 10 people came up to speak, and every one of them was building something.

Listen: https://x.com/i/spaces/1NGaroBgpBgJj
Full write-up and the complete transcript: https://omarchyspaces.com/ep/05/

@ncfrontiersman Wes Grimes, host, creator of OmaStorm, member of the Omarchy M team, and me @nixfred, co-host. Wes and I are the hosts but YOU are the star!

@himarkyi is giving the @omarchy Foundation $1.5 million in @grok tokens, and @namespacelabs is putting in $100,000 a year in compute for ARM testing. @JoshuaSWarren built an iPhone app on Omarchy with no Mac anywhere, and nearly 10,000 people liked that. @ryanrhughes merged 111 commits of Apple Silicon support into Omarchy itself, and Wes had a couple of them in there. The marketplace passed 5,000 plugins. And the brand new official @omarchy account on X promised that CAPS LOCK gets left alone in the next version!

Four weeks ago this @XSpaces started as a way to help newcomers. Wes renamed it for the week because the room has grown past that. Everybody here is building something, whether it is an app, a resume or a legacy, so he wanted to dig into the part nobody warns you about: what happens after the euphoria wears off. The tickets come in. The PRs come in. Anybody can be a builder, he said. It just means you are willing to roll your sleeves up, and when it gets ugly you put your head down and keep pounding, like the Panthers slogan.

Wes on the stages of AI psychosis, which go like the stages of grief. First: everything I learned does not matter anymore. Then: I could build anything in the world! Then you come back down to earth: I can, but can I support all of it? Where he landed is that he has a lot of new superpowers, but "I still got to put my mind to it."

Then we traded maintainer war stories. When I opened Blip and Infomarchy to PRs the magic happened, people sent in features and fixes I never would have come up with, but I feel guilty every time one is not the vision and I have to say no. Wes calls himself a ruthless prioritizer, because every feature is tech debt, a dependency that can break and a vulnerability that becomes his problem, and once it ships people expect it forever. His example: somebody wanted OmaStorm to follow the laptop's GPS, but not every laptop has one, so he is building a hook on the outside instead of a branch on the inside. And when the answer is no, we both say the same thing: fork it and make it yours. Don't wait on us.

Wes's rule for what to build: find a problem right around you, solve it for yourself, take it through every edge case, fix every bit of friction, then release it. Nothing is new under the sun, so if it bugs you it bugs somebody else too. And passion is what gets you through the part where you want to quit. My grandfather said it best: "If you go after the money, you'll never get it. If you do the job right, it'll hit you in the back of the head."

WES WANTS AN OMARCHY PHONE

Wes hates software keyboards. He loves the tactile kind, where you can feel the keys without looking, and he got excited about Minimal's phone: simple, a real keyboard, on pre-order and due in December. That is Omarchy in your pocket. A tool crafted to just what you need, with the GPS and the camera in your hand, and no Apple walled garden of waiting for an app store to approve you.

He does not think Apple will ever open up, so he is putting the call out. If a phone company is willing to be a hardware company first and give us the drivers, he will build a mobile OS on Omarchy. Framework, what if you made a phone? After the Studio Display kernel work, and with models like Opus 5.5, here is how he sees it: "Unless there is some very locked-down security encryption issue on the hardware, I don't see how it could not be solved." I told him I support him, and if I can help I will.

@devsec_ai

DevSec came with the part of building nobody puts in the demo, and he comes at it from cybersecurity. His app Uber Notebook is a massive one. His tip: once you have submitted a few apps and you know what the maintainer looks for, have your agent read every comment raised on your work and build a skill from it. Your agent just follows your prompts, so you repeat the same patterns, and a skill can fix a pattern. Code review will become a chore and the only way through is time, but look at the bright side: what used to take months of human peer review now takes 5 hours of agent review while you sleep, plus a pass by you.

His big warning is what he calls the disposable apps mentality. Apps get built fast and forgotten, which makes an enormous pile of waste and security holes. Build something you want to maintain, because he expects the maintainers will eventually delist apps nobody maintains, "which is the right thing to do."

I added my own: with great power comes great responsibility, and if your app wipes somebody's computer that is on you. It is easy to generate code and hard to make a surgical change without breaking something else. So ask your agent for the smallest possible implementation that still works, and ask yourself whether you could fix it by hand one day.

@neil404

Neil works in the public sector, with public defenders, and he only found out this year how good AI is. He was never a software programmer. He is building Exculpta, named for exculpatory evidence, for small publicly funded teams. Picture a public defender handed a case file with 30 body cams, statements and transcripts, with 70 cases already on the desk. You drop in the discovery and it finds the people, places, things and events, builds a chronology and a cast of characters, and links every answer to the original source. Documents get OCR'd, media gets transcribed and indexed, and you pick your own models. It runs in Docker on a Linux server with whatever GPUs you can find, on local AI where it can, because a lot of this material is confidential.

Companies charge public service folks hundreds of thousands of dollars for this and nobody has that. Neil's answer is to build it free and put it out there for everybody. Nothing to do with legal writing, by the way, so no made up citations. I retweeted it and followed him on the spot. He had to rename it this week when he found a company in Portland with the same name.

@NotJustShaking

Lee did not bring a build this time. He brought a suggestion: a Slack for the group, so the conversation does not end when the Space does, people can share their work, and the ones building plugins and tools can form groups. Cost is the question, so he wondered whether the Omacom Foundation could cover a couple of months to see if it works. If not, throw it away, or people chip in. Wes likes Slack better than Discord. I have tried to love Discord and I just cannot get there, maybe it is the Gen X in me. We are going to look into it and report back next week. In the meantime, Tim Sonner @tim_sonner set up a group chat on X for all of us. Jump in.

@calledtocnstrct

He started building little games for his grandkids, and he wanted them to work with eye tracking, because one of his grandsons is non-verbal and cannot use a joystick. Eye tracking is how he talks to the world. Back then the AI could not get there, and he could not even buy access to an SDK. He was devastated. This week he sat on his deck in the cool evening air, plugged in an eye tracker, asked the AI to build whatever driver it needed, and 30 minutes later it was working. It even built a WebSocket interface, so any web page can see where the eye is looking. Three games so far, all eye tracking compatible. "It's not as easy as it might sound to just look at something and activate it." He wants to buy every eye tracker he can, because so many hide behind the medical industry's walled gardens, and keep improving that interface.

He is also working on risk and vulnerability visibility in the package repository to bring Omarchy to corporations, and on the documentation to bring it to military and government, plus one more idea he says is too big to talk about yet. I sent him a reverse engineering playbook repo and my own eye tracking code, and Wes and I both told him we are here to help.

@StudioXRadio

Studio X Radio, call sign KB2UKA, a.k.a. Doug Serrato, runs a financial advisory firm and has been an amateur radio operator since he was 12. In March he started teaching himself LLMs, and because there was no software defined radio software for linux or mac, he and a buddy built one. It has 1,200 users now, which is big in that niche, and it talks to serious hardware, so he learned AI the hard way. That is what he brought to the M4 project, and he is on the M team with Wes.

He was holding what he believes is the first USB installer for Omarchy on the M4 MacBook Air. It boots natively from the internal SSD, with the GPU desktop, trackpad, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth mouse, speakers and audio codec working, one USB port (the one nearest the hinge), and real hardware video decoding for H.264 and VP9. Next he wipes his dev build, reloads, and tests the installer like any of us would. It is experimental, with a big disclaimer for daily Mac users, and he planned to release it as Omarchy M4 Native v0.1.0-alpha.1 within hours.

He picked up coding books many times over 35 years, and then the babies and the wife and the business came along. His line: when the chainsaw was invented, you did not see many lumberjacks swinging an axe. I told him we are not even 10% done.

@MasterMynd2004

MasterMinder built a side project to replace himself! A friend has a restaurant where a big part of the business is catering, staffing was a mess, and MasterMinder took his calls for a few weeks, thinking how hard could it be. The quoting and invoicing "kind of sucked." So he built a platform that does all the catering admin except approving the quote: intake, customer questions, the digital menu, the quote, the invoice and booking on the calendar. The chef changes his settings by messaging an assistant called Zara on WhatsApp, Telegram, email or SMS, like he would anyone else. Want the deposit split 40/60 instead of 50/50? Tell Zara and the invoices go out right. Restaurant people are busy, so no new app to learn, and no voice yet because people want to message. If something breaks, MasterMinder gets a Telegram with the problem and a suggested fix.

Now more restaurants want a trial, and the way he built it will not scale past 30 or 40 customers, so the question for the room was how to productize it. My answer: you are doing it right. You showed value first and you met people where they already are. The best problem you can have is how to scale to 45 customers. Do not spend a penny on marketing, because marketing is paying for the next customer, and you already have your next customer. Wes added: treat what you built as a prototype, point an agent at it, have it deconstruct the behavior and the specs, then build the real multi-tenant version. That kind of refactoring goes pretty well now. And the future of software is not software for other developers, it is for small businesses, freelancers and the one man show. We both offered to help. Another one from my grandfather: "We can do anything we want. We just can't do it all."

@MuchmoreIT

I know Heath in rl, and everything he does is huge. He works on the federal security hardening rules (STIGs) that tap the brakes on everything and break ports and apps, supercomputers for the hurricane models NOAA runs, and a customer looking at AMD's upcoming Helios 12 racks at roughly 235 kilowatts a rack. Where Omarchy comes in is speed. Federal teams run bloated, stock ubuntu-style linux, and that slows a lot of people down.

He and Wes share a love of weather. Heath built his own hurricane model tracker to find out how accurate each of those spaghetti models really is. He is also a former F-117A avionics guy, and he is building an Omarchy desktop version of the old MicroProse F-117A flight sim, with the things the game got wrong fixed. Wes loves weather and avionics, so they have to talk. And Heath's company's lawyers finally cleared his patents, so he may open up about quantum encryption. I say I know how to scale stuff. Heath scales me.

@JamesTervit

James was up at 4:30am in the morning in Singapore, which is Monday for him, because that is the only way to catch a Sunday in the States. What got him into Omarchy was Andrew Boyd's T1 bridge. His 2017 MacBook had been collecting dust, and for the first time a Linux build went straight on and everything just worked. The same day he put a little animated desktop character on it that takes voice commands for his agents. "I've been able to actually get all of this done in a single day. So that was a first."

He has been in the AI and security weeds since NVIDIA Morpheus in 2019, on packet radio since the bulletin board days, into LoRaWAN and embedded systems, and he did head tracking from a webcam back in 2015 because a game had too many controls, so Called To Construct's eye tracking hit home. And he is finishing Omarchy Warp: a browser on another PC on your LAN becomes your second monitor, and the mouse glides across like it is one screen. Heath wants to talk to him about software defined radio. I told him I only heard a quarter of his story, so we are setting up the next Zoom.

@thisisgm

Flea's author had a week. Wednesday he ran out of tokens, so he spent the downtime tuning performance until he was measuring key to key input latency in file managers. Dolphin won at around 11 milliseconds a key, and Flea got close. Then on Friday somebody told him Qt got bumped to 6.12 in Omarchy's dev branch and it broke Flea. He asked on X whether stable had it too, and DHH himself replied. He pushed the new features out to 0.3.10 and got the fix out first. Tundy @thetundeo, the CEO of ZeroRAMP, sponsored more AI for Flea, and GM said thank you in front of everybody.

What he wants most is people to hammer test it. Click around, try to break it, so he can spot what the AI cannot. Issues and PRs are always welcome, and he credits everybody, even if all you did was point out the issue. My specialty is breaking stuff. A month ago this was one guy in his apartment with the idea of a file manager, and now it is a whole thing worldwide. His line to everybody: "If I did it with a 9-to-5 and limited budget and tokens and time and all the excuses that people use to not make stuff, just prompt the AI, make something, put it out there." Wes says he will be the subject of a documentary one day. GM says it is a file manager. Sure.

@hicsfh

Chris closed us out with Atmos, and he is honest that he does not quite know what to call it: a config center, a control panel, a preference pane, a monitoring thing. The Windows control panel never worked as well as it could, and neither does Spotlight on a Mac. Atmos covers themes, Hyprland, default apps, your hardware down to the serial numbers, and Omarchy updates, and he just submitted it to the marketplace. He is a mouse person, 30 plus years of it, not a keyboard whiz and not a Neovim person, and he is okay with that. Wes: that is what makes Omarchy great, you make it what you want it to be.

Omarchy exploded with Quattro, but it is still a small corner of X compared with the world, and most of our colleagues have not tried it. His ask: break it, then tell him instead of walking away. He is trying to figure out how to use AI to close the blind spots all of us have in our own apps. I use Atmos every hour. I made it a super hot key and it drops down like a Quake terminal.

ASKS ON THE TABLE

Join the X group chat @tim_sonner set up, and follow everybody in the room. We are small and we all like the same things.

If you know somebody at a phone or hardware company, point them at Wes. He is serious about the Omarchy phone.

Hammer test Flea and Atmos. Click around, try to break them, and tell GM and Chris what you find.

@StudioXRadio 's Omarchy M4 alpha is headed for the wild. It is experimental, so read his disclaimer before you wipe anything.

NEXT SUNDAY

Same time, 3PM EST and X Spaces! The Top 10 list lost out to a room full of builders, so it keeps. @Shpaq4Fun was first in line and X would not promote him. Come back next week! If you did not get to speak today, we are sorry, please come back!

And remember! Help an old lady across the street, and when you get her over there, put Omarchy on her laptop. Wes says we need a T-shirt for that.

/Nix and Larry

Transcript

machine generated · speakers are their own X handles
@ncfrontiersman

Hello.

@ncfrontiersman

All right.

@NixFred

Hey, what's up, Wes? Can you hear me all right?

@ncfrontiersman

Hey, Fred. Let me see you here.

@NixFred

Can you hear me?

@ncfrontiersman

I sure can.

@NixFred

All right. How do I sound?

@ncfrontiersman

All right.

@ncfrontiersman

Sound good?

@ncfrontiersman

Sound good.

@NixFred

Cool, cool. Hey, everybody, we're trying to get the chat going in this space and having a hard time finding where to open up the actual chat where people can post URLs and post their projects and stuff. Sometimes it's in the bottom next to the scissors, but I never see it.

@NixFred

If anybody could post something in there just to get it started so we can all post our projects and follow each other, that'd be tremendous.

@ncfrontiersman

Yep, sounds good.

@NixFred

Crowdsourcing.

@ncfrontiersman

I would pull it up on my phone, but I'm afraid I'll drop the X.

@NixFred

Are you on your phone this... are you on your phone?

@ncfrontiersman

No, no, I'm on the computer.

@NixFred

Fantastic, fantastic. All right.

@ncfrontiersman

Quite a few people early today.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

I'd like to see it.

@NixFred

Got to love them. There's Patrick and Catherine's here again. James, my man, I just had a conversation with him the other day.

@NixFred

He's...

@ncfrontiersman

Oh, yeah?

@NixFred

Yeah. He's up at 3:00 AM right now over in Singapore just to be here. Thanks for waking up on us for us, James.

@ncfrontiersman

Wow. Wow. Thanks, James.

@ncfrontiersman

It's great to have you.

@NixFred

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

All right.

@NixFred

And there's Basti, my man.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah, I'm glad I missed out with you guys, but I'll get you next time.

@NixFred

Absolutely. You were missed, man. And there's Studio X.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Yeah, Studio. I saw Studio is doing some stuff with an M4.

@NixFred

He is, man. And called the Construct from last week.

@ncfrontiersman

Yep.

@NixFred

Sven is here. He is hilarious.

@NixFred

Hey, Sven, I just followed you back. If anybody... if you're following me and I'm not following you back, please hit a heart or something.

@NixFred

I'm trying to get everybody I can. Johnny, got you.

@NixFred

Cold, got you. Let's see here.

@NixFred

Most every... oh, there's one, Barnes. Hey, man, everybody follow everybody here.

@NixFred

Just by being here, we all have the same interest and we want to grow our fellowship. So follow everybody.

@NixFred

Jack, got you.

@ncfrontiersman

Yep.

@NixFred

KGB, got you.

@NixFred

I think that's it.

@ncfrontiersman

That's it. Yeah, I think I'm going through now because I've missed a few as well.

@NixFred

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Precious, is this your first time here?

@ncfrontiersman

Welcome.

@NixFred

Got it.

@ncfrontiersman

Very good.

@NixFred

What's going on this week, man? It's like every single week it gets crazier.

@ncfrontiersman

I know. It has been crazy.

@NixFred

And I feel like I do this like 12 hours a day and I still feel behind. So if you're feeling behind, everybody's feeling behind.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. For sure.

@ncfrontiersman

Let's see. Precious wants to speak for a second here.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, it dropped off. Well, we will get to you after a few minutes here when we're opening up the floor to let everybody speak for sure that wants to.

@NixFred

Yeah, there goes Chris. Chris Sallis.

@ncfrontiersman

Chris, all right. Joel, what's up? Joel, how's it going, man?

@NixFred

The Lord said he'd be here.

@ncfrontiersman

There he is. Yep. There's Norman.

@ncfrontiersman

Very good.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Two minutes and we already got a lot of people hopping in.

@ncfrontiersman

Wonderful. It's going to be a good show.

@ncfrontiersman

I'm excited. Fred, you've got... I think you've got a top 10 list for us from what I've heard.

@NixFred

I always do. I think it shows my age a little bit from the David Letterman era, which a lot of people here probably don't even know who that is.

@ncfrontiersman

You got your little index cards.

@NixFred

Oh, yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Just don't hit me when you throw it.

@NixFred

Hey, one of these weeks, man, if you want, I'm going to drive up there and let's do this in person.

@ncfrontiersman

Oh, that'd be cool. Never thought about that. Yeah, because you're in Atlanta.

@NixFred

Yeah, yeah. I could drive up there, maybe come up on a Wednesday and spend the week with you. I'm just kidding.

@NixFred

No, I would drive in just to do the show and come back.

@ncfrontiersman

Leaves are changing pretty soon up here. Probably be a pretty drive through the mountains.

@NixFred

Yeah, no doubt. There's Lee Shands, my man. Filling up.

@NixFred

Again, if anybody can find where you actually post comments for the space, please light that up because we can never find it. And we want to have everybody be able to share their projects and follow each other.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah, I don't see it at all.

@NixFred

I know. I look for it every time. I never can find it.

@NixFred

Somebody out there's a lot smarter than us are going to find it.

@ncfrontiersman

Probably.

@NixFred

I wonder if it's on your actual post where you opened up the space itself.

@ncfrontiersman

Could be. Let me see here.

@ncfrontiersman

I don't see it there, and I do not want to click reconnect because I don't want to drop people, so.

@NixFred

Yep.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. We're almost there. We got one minute till time and plenty of folks, so I think we can get started on time today.

@NixFred

All right.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Here we are. Fred said, "What's going on, man?"

@NixFred

Hey, yeah, I had a great week. I've been monitoring my tokens better and staying on pace instead of burning everything on the first couple of days of my reset. So that's been nice.

@NixFred

Got to chat with Basti this week. What an incredible dude.

@NixFred

Got to chat with James over in Singapore. I'd still love to one-on-one chat with anybody.

@NixFred

If you're interested in chatting, I'd love to hear about what you're up to and what you're doing. I know it seems strange to bounce from X over to a one-on-one chat, and that can be frightening and kind of weird, but I know that Portion and some other folks and Lee and James are reaching out and having one-on-one Zooms with folks, and I think that's how we grow.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah, man. I agree with that.

@ncfrontiersman

A lot of life happens in the small conversations.

@NixFred

Yes.

@ncfrontiersman

I think that's wonderful. Well, all right.

@NixFred

Yeah. So I'm going to kind of put together the week in one breath and kind of run through that. So last Sunday, we had 155 folks, and I think we're going to beat that this week, which is great because it's bringing the community together.

@NixFred

We had 11 folks come up and speak, and they talked about the things that they had, and I bet we're going to at least do that this week. Ivan, I don't see him on.

@NixFred

Ivan shipped out MeshCore Atlas, which allows to message your AI machine over the mesh radio. Catherine set up to launch her newsletter last Tuesday.

@NixFred

Lee showed off the Big Button Companion, who is here today. And some of the big news, SpaceX donated $1.5 million in Grok tokens to the Omacore Foundation.

@NixFred

And Namespace, the ARM folks gave a hundred grand for compute for ARM testing. Our buddy Josh Warren built an iPhone app on Omarchy that allows you to connect to it with no Mac at all, which is amazing.

@NixFred

And about almost 10,000 people like that, which is insane. What else have we got?

@NixFred

Ryan merged our own Ryan Hughes merged 111 comments of the Oppo Silicon into Omarchy itself, which Wes, I bet you had a hand in some of that stuff, which allows.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah, I had a couple commits in there. Yeah.

@NixFred

Amazing. So Touch ID now works. The taskbar now works.

@NixFred

And there's over 2,000 clones in two days on that project, which is crazy. And Wes, last week, you guessed that the marketplace passing 5,000 plugins, and this week we actually hit 5,100 something new plugins.

@NixFred

And the last part is the official brand new X account at Omarchy announced that Caps Lock is going to be left alone in the next version. So I know that'll make a lot of folks here happy.

@NixFred

So that's kind of what happened this week. We'll do the top 10 list a little bit later, but what do you got for us, Wes?

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah, that's a lot of stuff. That's incredible. I really love focusing on what the people in this crew are building.

@ncfrontiersman

To me, that's the coolest thing is just to see where everybody's minds at and what they're cooking, right? So I'm loving to hear that.

@ncfrontiersman

One other thing I saw in the community that DHH posted was there's going to be a Hyperlane remote, basically like a remote desktop app coming.

@NixFred

Yeah, Grif, G-L-I-F-F, Glyph. I downloaded it and started playing around with it a little bit. The one thing it lacks is a front end.

@NixFred

So I'm working on a little easy button or something for that.

@ncfrontiersman

Okay. Yeah, there's an opportunity right there. Because, yeah, that's coming from the other Windows and Mac.

@ncfrontiersman

It was nice to have that ability to do remote desktop, but it looks like we're getting it. So pretty sweet what you can do these days so quickly.

@ncfrontiersman

But yeah, yeah, I'm kind of I kind of called this week Sunday Builders Club because all of us are building something. And whether it's an app or we're building up our resume or we're building up our legacy, all these things we're building up.

@ncfrontiersman

And I'd love to just share with each other in that building and help build each other up, right? And so what can we do to share in people's successes?

@ncfrontiersman

And when people are struggling, lift the other up and help them out. And so that's kind of what we're all about here.

@ncfrontiersman

And so I feel like, yeah, I want to start spotlighting more and more people here and what you all are building and how you're building it and kind of dig in more into beyond the surface of I created a cool plugin to I built a product or a solution or something, and I've got maybe some customers coming to it or I'm working to support this thing. What do I do?

@ncfrontiersman

I'm feeling overwhelmed. I'm getting all these tickets coming in or getting these issues coming in.

@ncfrontiersman

And how do we manage that flow that starts happening once the euphoria wears off if I build this cool thing? Because it comes in waves, but yeah, I think it would be cool for us to dive into that a little bit today.

@ncfrontiersman

And if anybody is kind of in the midst of building and launching something and you need some advice or just another pair of digital eyes, rubber duck, we're here so we can talk about it. But yeah.

@NixFred

Yeah. So this whole space originally, you as the host, was originally your idea. And it wasn't, what, I guess, four weeks ago we started this and the idea was to help the newcomers.

@NixFred

And I think you smartly have kind of pivoted that most of the people here are not newcomers and they're actually starting to build stuff. And small pivots, we still want to help our newbies that come in, but I think the listeners are starting to come in and they're like, "Okay, I got the new stuff.

@NixFred

I'm good with that. What's the next step?"

@NixFred

And I think you brilliantly are pivoting to the Builders Club versus the Newbie Club, and I love it.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. And anybody can be a builder, right? I mean, we're definitely going to dig in more and go deeper here, but I mean, building just means you're willing to roll your sleeves up.

@ncfrontiersman

And the first sign of trouble or problem you hit, you're willing to put your head down and just keep pushing. Keep pounding like the Panthers football team slogan is.

@ncfrontiersman

Just keep pounding, right? Because it's not all pretty.

@ncfrontiersman

It's not all roses. I mean, there's going to be headwinds, especially when you're doing something worthwhile.

@ncfrontiersman

But in the end, man, the payoff is great. And it's satisfaction that you get from helping people or building something cool is amazing.

@ncfrontiersman

So yeah.

@NixFred

And you mentioned that euphoria a couple of minutes ago, and that word really sunk in with me because I don't know about you guys, but for me, it's still a whole lot of fun, but sometimes it's starting to feel like work a little bit when I'm really wanting to get something right to put out and make it worthwhile, make it usable for other folks. It's still fun, but there is a little that work feeling kind of creeps in. Is that happening to you, Wes?

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. It has. And I've noticed that I've been using AI.

@ncfrontiersman

My job was pretty forward in all of this. Before Opus 4.5 came out even, we were going full bore into it when it was still very... I mean, it probably is still somewhat, but controversial.

@ncfrontiersman

And you go through all the phases of AI psychosis, and so it's like the stages of grief, right? You're like, "Man, everything I learned doesn't even matter anymore."

@ncfrontiersman

But then you kind of go through that and you go, "Oh, man, I could build anything in the world. This is amazing."

@ncfrontiersman

And then you kind of come back down to earth for a little bit and you're like, "Well, I can, but I don't know if I can support everything." I don't know if is this really just because I can, does that mean I should kind of thing?

@ncfrontiersman

And then you kind of settle into this spot where it's like, "Wow, actually, I have a lot of new superpowers and tools at my disposal to build pretty much anything I put my mind to, but I still got to put my mind to it. And I still got to do the hard work of figuring out what it is."

@ncfrontiersman

Depends on what you're doing. If you're building a product to release out there, what is it that is this actually solving a need or is this a solution in search of a problem kind of thing?

@NixFred

Yeah. Yeah. And I know you've done the same with Omastorm, and I've done the same with some of my Blip and Infomarchy, is that I kind of run out of ideas of what to do with it, and I feel like the code's pretty tight.

@NixFred

And the magic happened for me with Blip and with Infomarchy that you open it up for PRs and people, like a lot of folks in this room, start throwing in PRs and they come up with features and break or fixes and ideas that I never would have come up with. So it's kind of like this push and pull between like it's like Omastorm is yours, but I've seen you accept PRs and pull other features and things into your project.

@NixFred

And it's a hard thing to figure out. I feel so guilty when somebody comes up with a Blip idea and I'm like, "Not really the vision.

@NixFred

Don't want to do that." And I try to be kind about it.

@NixFred

Does that happen to you?

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, people on this call, I mean, I love everybody here.

@ncfrontiersman

I love all the contributions. But there are some things that come in that just they're wonderful and they'd be great on their own in their own app, but they're not really part of the vision of what I'm building.

@ncfrontiersman

I'm like a ruthless prioritizer because every new feature I add is like tech day. It's like something else I have to worry about.

@ncfrontiersman

Even if the initial code that comes in is awesome and it works well, well, what if that relies on a dependency and external library or package or something? And then down the road, that thing gets updated to a new version comes out of it.

@ncfrontiersman

All of a sudden, now I've got that burden of figuring out what do I have to change in my app to make it work with it? Or if vulnerabilities come in, security vulnerabilities, I got to worry about that now.

@ncfrontiersman

And then it's kind of like anytime you put something new out there, people are going to begin to expect that that always exists. That feature, you add that feature, and all of a sudden, if you ever think about taking it away, well, you better think twice.

@NixFred

Yeah. I've also gotten folks that'll I've also had folks like on Blip that say, "Hey, I've got a Macintosh that's seven versions behind. Will you please make it work for that one?"

@NixFred

I'm like, "I don't even have one."

@ncfrontiersman

Right. Right. Right.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah, exactly. And sometimes it's not always like a yes or no, like, "Oh, I'm not going to do this."

@ncfrontiersman

Sometimes it's like, "Let me take a step back. Is there something I can change in my app that makes it easier for them to do what they want to do in their environment without totally taking on that whole solution?"

@ncfrontiersman

So example, I can't remember who it was. Somebody wanted Omastorm to follow the GPS location where based on the laptop's GPS sensor, I'm like, "Well, not everybody's got GPS on their laptop."

@ncfrontiersman

So I don't want to add that and then have this branch of my code. What if I come up with a way to have a hook system or a config that is kind of just sits on the outside and then they can build their thing that sits kind of outside of Omastorm and give it the location and then Omastorm doesn't have to worry about how it got the location?

@ncfrontiersman

So it's kind of an example of you can still help almost like if you're building a plugin system or something, that's a little bit more involved, but taking a step back and thinking compromise is always involved just like everything in life.

@NixFred

Yeah. The other thing is when I tell people, "No," I think there's kind of a we're almost at the edge of it starting to happen. But a lot of times when I say no, I really highly encourage them to say, "Go fork it and make it yours and do your own thing."

@NixFred

And so we talked about earlier when we started the space that your brain is the only limitation. If you can speak what you want to do and tell it, "I like that.

@NixFred

I don't like that," then you can do it. And I think people are still in the proprietary software mind where they email or chat with the creator and say, "Will you update it to do this?"

@NixFred

And I want to say, "Listen, you can do this yourself. You don't have to wait on me to do it.

@NixFred

You can fork it and make it your own." And as soon as people do that, then they find problems with my code and they PR and everybody is happy.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah, totally. That's a great example. It's like, "Don't wait on me to fix it for you.

@ncfrontiersman

You take care of do what you want. Make it how you want.

@ncfrontiersman

And then kind of later on, we can figure out if it makes sense for this product or not."

@NixFred

That's right. That's right.

@ncfrontiersman

Yep. I totally agree with that. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

So yeah, it's something else. Once you get beyond that, man, I built this cool thing and people love it and get down into brass tacks, that's where sometimes you hit those headwinds, but it's just part of it.

@ncfrontiersman

You just got to be willing to ride that out and just take it one step at a time and keep focused on what was my original intention in building this? Who is it for?

@ncfrontiersman

Is it just for me or is it for the greater group of people or whatnot? And adding nobody wants an app with 1,000 features.

@ncfrontiersman

They want apps that are targeted that do the job that was initially purported to do well. It's kind of like being a jack of all trades but a master of none.

@NixFred

Yeah. Now, do you find like I find that I just start building stuff for myself and then it starts to occur, "Well, maybe some other folks might like what I'm doing." Do you start out with, "Everybody's going to want this, so I'll make it"?

@NixFred

Or do you start out with, "I need this," and then, "Oh my gosh, everybody would like to have this"?

@ncfrontiersman

I mean, I've tried both ways, but the way of trying to find what everybody else likes, that's a lot harder. To do it right, you need to do the market research and you need to do these trials and interview. I mean, that's what whole businesses are formed around.

@ncfrontiersman

And I think it's almost like a shortcut or a cheat code. If you find something that's right around you, right, that is a problem that you need solved, and you solve it for yourself.

@ncfrontiersman

And then you sit there and when you solve it, you take it through every edge case and you actually use it. You actually try it out in all these different ways.

@ncfrontiersman

And then every time you run into a bug in it or an issue or something that feels like it has friction and it shouldn't, take the time to fix it then and then release it. I mean, there's nothing new under the sun.

@ncfrontiersman

Most of these problems that we encounter, we're not the only people on Earth encountering them. So there's going to be and with the World Wide Web, you put something out there, with the right channel, it can get in front of anybody's eyes that need it.

@ncfrontiersman

And so I think that's where I would always start because if you're not passionate about it, if you're building something just to make I mean, there's nothing wrong with doing things to make money. That's great.

@ncfrontiersman

But if that's your only focus, I think you're going to have a harder time because the passion isn't going to be there to drive you through the hard parts when you don't things aren't going well and you're like, "Well, the heck with this. I'm just going to abandon it."

@ncfrontiersman

Versus you building something that you love and use yourself, you're going to keep working on that and proving that. It just comes more naturally, I think.

@NixFred

Amen. My grandfather used to say, "If you go after the money, you'll never get it. If you do the job right, it'll hit you in the back of the head."

@ncfrontiersman

That's right. That's right. That's right.

@ncfrontiersman

So true. Well, wow, we've got a crew here today.

@ncfrontiersman

I don't know if anything else you want to talk about, Fred? You want to open up the floor?

@NixFred

Yeah. I don't mean to put you on the spot, but do you want to talk about and it's okay if you don't. Do you want to talk about your phone idea that you're broadcasting and trying to get a couple of folks?

@ncfrontiersman

Oh, yeah. Yes. I would love to.

@NixFred

Hit it, man. Let's hear what's your idea and what do you think?

@ncfrontiersman

Okay. So number one, I hate software keyboards on phones. I love hardware keyboards.

@ncfrontiersman

And it's been frustrating lately. I don't know.

@ncfrontiersman

It's probably not even just iPhone. Maybe it's Android too, but it's like I'm typing, typos everywhere.

@ncfrontiersman

I've got bigger fingers, so sometimes that's an issue. But I felt like with the tactile keyboard, you could almost not even look at it and you could feel where the keys were.

@ncfrontiersman

And it's like I saw that this company, the Minimal company, has a phone that it's simple. It's got a hardware keyboard.

@ncfrontiersman

It does what you need it to do and then kind of gets out of the way. I love that.

@ncfrontiersman

And I'm like, "You know what? That's kind of like Omarchy in a way is you build a tool crafted to just what you need."

@ncfrontiersman

And then if we could have that on the phone because computer is great. Laptops are great, desktop, all that.

@ncfrontiersman

But we're not always tied some of us aren't always tied to our desk. We want to get out and do things or we don't have the opportunity to always sit at the desk and work on things.

@ncfrontiersman

And it's like back to my iPhone again. And so my thought is, number one, it would be really cool because with this phone concept, just like we're building anything we can dream up on Omarchy, think about you've got your phone, you've got the GPS, the camera.

@ncfrontiersman

It's all kind of compressed down in this device you can take anywhere with you. And there's so many use cases to where you could build these highly customized apps that you're basically like Star Trek.

@ncfrontiersman

You've got your tripod right in your hand. And to be able to have the ability to build and optimize and customize without that Apple walled garden of waiting to get it approved in the app store and all that stuff.

@ncfrontiersman

I just think it would be cool. And I'm surprised that I know that there's reasons why.

@ncfrontiersman

Probably bureaucrats and red tape are involved somewhere into why you can't just install anything on a phone. But I just think that if we could find one of these companies that's willing to be a hardware company, first and foremost, and not so focused on owning the software side of it, then it could open it up and allow us to come in there.

@ncfrontiersman

If they gave us the drivers we needed or access to the hardware we needed, we could build a really cool mobile OS in Omarchy. I believe we could do it.

@ncfrontiersman

And so that's my thought. I would love to be able to do that.

@ncfrontiersman

I know that one company has a new phone coming out in December. It's for pre-order.

@ncfrontiersman

To me, something with a physical keyboard that is kind of a lower price point for a brand new mobile phone that is ARM-based because I don't think Apple will open up their devices ever.

@NixFred

Not going to happen. Not going to happen. You'd have to give up a bunch of revenue to do that.

@ncfrontiersman

Right. And so, yeah, I don't know. Or like the framework company that makes the computers, laptops, what if they made a phone?

@ncfrontiersman

How cool would that be? So yeah, that's my hope.

@ncfrontiersman

I mean, if it's not them, hopefully somebody else. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

So I'm just putting the call out there that I'm willing to do it. And with the kernel work I did recently on the Apple Studio Display and just seeing how these new models work, like Opus 5.5, unless there is some very locked-down security encryption issue on the hardware, I don't see how it could not be solved.

@ncfrontiersman

So yeah.

@NixFred

That's amazing, man. I support you. And if I can help you, I will.

@NixFred

Hey, we do have a couple of speakers. And I just want to tell everybody that if you request to speak, we do see it.

@NixFred

Please don't retract it. Just give us some time to get to each person.

@NixFred

We want to let everybody speak. And what do you want to do next, man?

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman

So a couple of people have requested. Others want to put the call out there.

@ncfrontiersman

If you're building something and you're kind of at that phase where you're past the, "This is awesome," and you're at the, "Oh, crap. What do I do now?"

@ncfrontiersman

I'd love to talk. I'd love to hear where you're at.

@ncfrontiersman

And as a group, we can kind of chat through it. So raise your hand for that.

@ncfrontiersman

I'll go ahead and we've got a couple of people lined up. We'll get them through.

@ncfrontiersman

And then the rest of y'all start requesting and we'll try to get through you. Sound good?

@NixFred

Yeah. And let's just remember to be focused on the topic so as many people can speak as possible. So do you want me to approve them and you speak to them, or do you want to just do both of us do it together?

@NixFred

How do you want to do that?

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Let's kind of tag team because I am sort of losing my voice today.

@NixFred

All right. Well, I've got the request speakers up. I'll start lining them up and you knock them down.

@NixFred

And I think the first one was Shapeek. So let's see what that person has to say.

@ncfrontiersman

Sounds good, Shapeek.

@NixFred

Now we're running into that problem again where it doesn't promote them. This is every week.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. It seems to take a little bit. We'll go ahead and approve DevSec and Neil.

@ncfrontiersman

See if any of those pop in.

@NixFred

There we go.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. DevSec, what's going on?

@devsec_ai

What's up, guys? Good to be here.

@NixFred

Hey, man. Thanks for coming by.

@devsec_ai

Hey. Thanks for doing it. Appreciate it.

@devsec_ai

So a few things, right? Just wanted to echo a couple of the stuff that you guys mentioned here, which is very true.

@devsec_ai

So as you guys saw, even my app, Uber Notebook, which was a it's a massive application, I think close to like 50,000 likes, I believe. And yes, I do agree with the sentiment that with the entire sentiment of at one point, you're going to come to a roadblock where you're going to say, "Okay, how do I maintain this?

@devsec_ai

Or how am I going to pass that security review when I send it to the marketplace?" And etc.

@devsec_ai

Right? And just a couple of tips to the community as we're as things go from my experience in cybersecurity as well is that the way you approach it is my recommendation is let's say you've already submitted a few apps and you already know what the maintainer is looking for.

@devsec_ai

Have your agent go and look at every single comment made raised as an issue and have it build a skill for you based on those issues that it commented before because it looks like whatever app you're building or the way you were instructing your agent, that agent is basically following basically your prompt. So essentially what that means is that you probably have common patterns that can be resolved by a skill, right?

@devsec_ai

So that's one thing that you can do. The second thing is, yes, after a while, it's going to become a chore.

@devsec_ai

And that chore is code review, making sure that all those bugs and security vulnerabilities are out of the way. And the only way to do that is, unfortunately, it's going to take a time.

@devsec_ai

But I always say, look at it on the bright side because this kind of work used to take months to do, right? It used to be a physical peer review among people.

@devsec_ai

So now you have maybe five hours in ultra code while you're sleeping to come up with the majority of the stuff. And then some of the stuff, maybe you look in the code and you find the issues and you fix it.

@devsec_ai

But just look at the bright side. What used to take months is now taking days and weeks.

@devsec_ai

So yeah, yes, it's frustrating in the sense that sometimes you just want that product out there. But it's also important to make note of the fact that if that goes out and you have bugs or you have UI/UX issues that are not actually meaningful to people, what is going to happen is they're going to toss it aside, right?

@devsec_ai

And then good and then getting them back on to use it again, it is going to be that much more difficult. So as painful as it is, but I do want to echo one more sentiment.

@devsec_ai

I don't want to take the entire I don't want to suck the air out here. But I just wanted one more thing to mention here is that one of the biggest things I think we, as we build, have to take account for is the maintainability.

@devsec_ai

And the reason I say that is because we have people are building all the time. And I've came up with this term, and I don't know if I'm the original one or somebody else probably did as well.

@devsec_ai

Nothing is original anymore in the days of AI, is the disposable apps mentality where a lot of apps are getting built so fast and then they just get they just get forgotten about it, right? So what that's going to do is it is going to open an enormous it's going to create an enormous waste and security vulnerability.

@devsec_ai

So as you're building, like you guys mentioned, build something meaningful, build something that you want to maintain because at one point, it's going to come down to the fact that if you don't maintain it, then what happens? And I'm sure that Omarchi's maintainers will eventually come up with a way to if you haven't maintained your app for a period of time, they'll probably delist you, which is the right thing to do.

@devsec_ai

But I think in general, keep in mind what you're building. If it is only for you, it's one thing.

@devsec_ai

But if it's for a large audience, I think that maintainability is going to be important.

@NixFred

Well, so true. Man, so many good points in that. I mean, I'm thinking about it.

@NixFred

When we build a product, yeah, it's cool. And yes, it's something that we've conquered or whatever.

@NixFred

But it's like with great what is it? With great success comes great responsibility.

@NixFred

With great power comes great responsibility. You have the responsibility now to make sure that you're not causing issues for people using it and making their lives worse, right?

@NixFred

Building these apps are great, but if you all of a sudden put something out there with a vulnerability in it and it wipes their computer, that's not good. I mean, there's liability issues there for sure, but I mean, also, it's just kind of not cool.

@NixFred

So it's something we definitely should keep at the top of our mind as we're building. And it's not like you said, it just takes hours now to do these deep reviews.

@NixFred

It's not like it used to be. But it is something you still need to at least keep at the top of your mind.

@NixFred

And maintainability is another great point. It's easy to generate code.

@NixFred

It's hard to go back and make surgical changes to that code and not break other things, right? So we have to keep that in mind.

@NixFred

And there's some people that say, "Well, what if tokens become so expensive and then we have to go back to writing by hand? How would you handle it?"

@NixFred

I don't think that's going to happen, but you almost should kind of think about it like, "What if one day I had to deal with this by hand? Would I be able to make a fix?"

@NixFred

And if not, then maybe that's one of two things. Maybe you need to do some learning.

@NixFred

Use these AI tools to teach yourself the language that it's writing in and ways you can understand. And also just kind of prompt it and say, "Hey, keep this code maintainable, clean.

@NixFred

Just provide the smallest possible implementation of this that is functional." And so these are good things to think about.

@NixFred

All right. Looks like Fred dropped out for a second, but.

@devsec_ai

No, I'm here. I'm here.

@NixFred

Oh, you're here. Okay, cool. You're back.

@NixFred

Very good. So it looks like Neil is up next.

@neil404

Hey, everybody. Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.

@NixFred

Yeah. Thanks for coming.

@neil404

So I'm probably doing everything wrong because it's only this year that I found out how good AI is. And I was never a software programmer before, but it's unlocked so much for me in terms of what I've been able to build, even just for personal or just for work. I kind of work in a public sector.

@neil404

So it's like criminal defense, public defenders, that kind of stuff. And I'm building a product called Exculpta, and it's for exculpatory.

@neil404

But it's basically to where small teams that are broke, publicly funded, can put their entire case into it and kind of have their discovery analyzed by local AI, have their questions answered, any media is automatically transcribed, indexed, just to make things more efficient for people.

@ncfrontiersman

Oh, wow. I love that.

@neil404

But it's super tough.

@NixFred

I've heard of several I've heard of several court cases where they put in a briefing and the opposing counsel asked them about their citations and they're all completely made up. Have you heard about that happening?

@neil404

I have. And that's why my what I'm trying to do isn't to do anything with legal writing. So it's like imagine you were handed a case file with 30 body cams and here's all this evidence and statements and transcripts.

@neil404

And how do you make sense of that when you have 70 cases already and best represent your client without missing something, right? And it's not like you have a staff of 100 people to go through everything.

@neil404

So you almost want to use your own local AI if you can or Frontier if you're available, although a lot of this stuff's confidential. So that's not really an option.

@neil404

It's just a way to be like, "How can we make our paralegals and investigators 1,000 times more effective?" One of the things I'm hoping to do that's just now starting to work is you drop in all your discovery.

@neil404

It automatically finds the people's places, things, and events. So that way, it can build a chronology.

@neil404

Or here's all your cast of characters. Here's when things happen.

@neil404

Link it to the original source.

@NixFred

Yep. That is so cool. Yeah.

@NixFred

What's coming to mind as you're saying this is we're talking about deterministic versus non-deterministics. And when you build with these AI models, right, how do you get something close to deterministic, meaning a predictable outcome when you're working with something that isn't always predictable?

@NixFred

And writing these I don't know. I assume you're building a system prompt or skills or something to work through this information.

@NixFred

You want to tell us a little bit about that?

@neil404

So for the most part, it's just like a workbench. So imagine you have a Linux server with whatever GPUs you can find and you install this and it hosts itself in Docker. And then it basically just accepts whatever documents, OCRs them, indexes them, whatever media it transcribes, diarizes, saves all that into SQLite databases and vectors and then graph where people place things.

@neil404

And then you pick your own models in the background. And then you can ask it questions like, "Okay, when did such and such happen?

@neil404

I'm looking for this." And it searches it and re-ranks and then brings you just cited sources back.

@neil404

And that's kind of where I'm at right now. The toughest part of this for me is I'm the only one building this.

@neil404

I'm not aware of any other utilities, which is why I'm building it, because you have all these companies that want to charge public service people, I mean, hundreds of thousands of dollars that nobody has money for. And I'm sure rich criminal lawyers have these utilities available.

@neil404

But I wanted to be one of the only ones that can why not try to do it for free and just put it out there for everybody?

@NixFred

I love it. I love it. That's awesome, man.

@NixFred

Well, thanks for sharing. Yeah, share the link to it.

@NixFred

I don't know if anybody's figured out how to get the chat on, but.

@NixFred

Yeah, his name is Neil of his name is Neil of Neils on GitHub. I just retweeted the it's called workbench-osss. I believe that's correct.

@neil404

So I had to change his name because I just found out this week that there's a company in Portland that has the same record bench. So now it's exclpata.com. And that takes you right to the repo that changed now.

@NixFred

I just retweeted it and I just followed you. So go check it out, everybody.

@neil404

Thanks, guys.

@NixFred

Yeah.

@NixFred

You bet.

@ncfrontiersman

Thanks for speaking, Neil.

@NixFred

Good to hear from you.

@ncfrontiersman

Yep. All right. Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman

I think Lee's up.

@NixFred

My man Lee. What's up, brother?

@NotJustShaking

Hey, guys. Hope everyone's well. This is really not anything that I built or going to be building.

@NotJustShaking

It was just a suggestion to whereas you and Fred and maybe the whole group, one of you guys had ever thought about setting up a Slack for this group. So meetings would go better.

@NotJustShaking

The ability to share people's work would be better. You could set up groups where people could work on their particular plugins and tools that they're building.

@NotJustShaking

Whole host of stuff. I'm not going to spend too long on this, but I guess the thing would be cost.

@NotJustShaking

So my thoughts are, I wonder if Omicom could help with the cost, at least initially for a couple of months, see if it works. If it doesn't, we just throw it away.

@NotJustShaking

Or worst case scenario, people chip in every month or whatever. Just a suggestion.

@NotJustShaking

That's all.

@ncfrontiersman

You know what? I mean, I think Fred and I talked about this before. I wanted some way for us to continue this conversation after the Sunday chats throughout the week.

@ncfrontiersman

And I really like that idea. I personally like Slack better than Discord.

@ncfrontiersman

Discord's a little crazy for me, but other people like Discord. But I would go to Slack.

@ncfrontiersman

But we'll think about it and we'll report back for next week and let y'all know. I mean, does anybody else have interest in joining or creating a community like that where we can chat kind of throughout the week and work on stuff together?

@NixFred

Yeah, we talked about Discord. And I have tried to love Discord, and I just can't get there. Maybe it's the Gen X in me, but it's just too much.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I know. I'm with you.

@ncfrontiersman

I'm the same way. I mean, Slack might even have a free version.

@ncfrontiersman

So we can look at it and get something going because I do think I think that's how this community grows more is because we only get, what, an hour, hour and a half, and there's so much more conversation to be had, so.

@NixFred

Yeah. And I feel like we leave people hanging sometimes because we just run out of time, and I feel terrible about that.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you bringing that up, Lee.

@ncfrontiersman

We'll get some movement going on that. Thank you.

@ncfrontiersman

Called to construct. What's happening, man?

@ncfrontiersman

Are your grandkids still playing video games? They started writing their own?

@calledtocnstrct

Well, actually, yeah, to an extent, I'll speak a little bit more on that. Another couple of quick thoughts I had, though, in response to the Slack channel. Of course, an X chat might help there as well.

@NixFred

That's a good idea.

@calledtocnstrct

The other thing was Neil was just talking about the platform that he's building. And I just found it fascinating because for the company I work for, I just built, and we're just releasing this last week, we just released publicly a medical document system that does something very similar, looks at a person's medical charts, and that allows you to search and explore. So I thought that was just fascinating, Neil, that you're working on that.

@NixFred

You know what, man? You guys should use a cheat code. Follow each other, create a chat, and you don't have to merge your code, but maybe you could help each other cherry-pick the things that work for you.

@NixFred

I do that all the time. You don't have to accept all their software.

@NixFred

Just cherry-pick the stuff that you need.

@calledtocnstrct

Exactly. Yeah. And I'm excited to do that after this Builders Club.

@calledtocnstrct

As far as the thing that I worked on this last week was actually something that and I just want to make sure that my voice is coming through clear. I'm not getting in the.

@NixFred

You sound great. You sound great.

@calledtocnstrct

Okay. Great.

@ncfrontiersman

I can hear you. Yep.

@calledtocnstrct

So back in February, when I realized that AI had reached a point where I could actually just build something from a prompt without having to dig too much into the technology of it, I started working on little games for the grandkids. And one of the things that I really wanted to be able to do was to be able to build games that supported eye-tracking devices because I have a grandson who has cerebral palsy. And he's non-verbal, and his motor control doesn't give him the ability

@calledtocnstrct

to use joysticks or things like that. So eye-tracking is a way to communicate with the world.

@calledtocnstrct

Between that and slight facial expressions or gestures. And so eye-tracking is huge in his world.

@calledtocnstrct

And what I found was that not only could I not get the AI to be able to interface with the eye-tracking device, I wasn't able to even purchase access to an SDK, which amazed me. I reached out to several people, and I was devastated.

@calledtocnstrct

So that was back in February. Amazing how things have changed in just a few short months.

@calledtocnstrct

And so the other day, I sat down on my deck in the nice, cool evening air, and I plugged in an eye-tracking device, and I asked the AI to build a driver or whatever was needed to interface with it. And 30 minutes later, it was working.

@ncfrontiersman

Wow. Wow.

@calledtocnstrct

So if I said, "What I'm building, it's nothing spectacular." I mean, it's nothing major. It's very small, but just a way to talk to the eye tracker that I have.

@calledtocnstrct

What I'm hoping to do soon is to start buying each of the versions of different eye-tracking devices that are publicly accessible because a lot of them are behind walled gardens from the medical industry. But anything that I can buy from a commercial standpoint and then enhance that interface to make that happen.

@calledtocnstrct

And amazingly, it also built a WebSocket interface. So now I can even just build an HTML web page that hooks into that WebSocket and then can see where the eye is looking.

@calledtocnstrct

And so I've now built three little games for the grandkids that can play them, but also for using the eye-tracking. They're all compatible with eye-tracking.

@calledtocnstrct

And so it's just been amazing to be able to play around and kind of experience the world from his point of view, from my grandson's point of view. It's not as easy as it might sound to just look at something and activate it.

@calledtocnstrct

And so anyway, but that's one of the things I've been building. I try not to multitask too much because, like was said earlier, like jack of all trades.

@calledtocnstrct

But there's work I'm doing to try to move risk and vulnerability, visibility, risk and vulnerability support in the package repository and be able to bring Omarchi to corporations and things like that. And I've been working with someone to prepare the documentation needed to bring Omarchi to Military or Gov as well.

@calledtocnstrct

And those are all things that I'm time-slicing and making progress on as well as other projects. But this new ability to use the eye-tracking has just blown my mind.

@calledtocnstrct

And I'm so happy that it's just been crazy to think of. And that has opened my mind to a whole new set of possibilities that I can't even go into.

@calledtocnstrct

It's just like too big, too crazy to even think about right now. But I've been building some documentation around that concept.

@calledtocnstrct

And so anyway.

@NixFred

I just DM'd you a repo that's got 50,000 likes. It's by a user of M-O-R-L-U-T-O on GitHub. And it's called Reverse Engineer Anything.

@NixFred

And it's a playbook to help you reverse engineer stuff. And I think that might help you out.

@NixFred

And I've also sent you an eye-tracking software that I kind of put together. It's a piece of crap, but maybe you can find some little cherry-picking nuggets to use.

@calledtocnstrct

Oh, that is beautiful. Thank you so much.

@NixFred

Yeah, man. Keep up the good work, man. It's amazing.

@calledtocnstrct

Thanks.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I love that. Wonderful.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, it's good to have you. I hope you have a great rest of your Sunday and a good week coming up, man.

@NixFred

Yeah, reach out to me and Wes either way. I think we both follow you and we care about you and we want to help, man.

@ncfrontiersman

That's right. All right, studio. I think you're up.

@StudioXRadio

All right, guys.

@NixFred

Hey, Wes, you're going to freaking I hope you guys know each other because you're both on the M team.

@StudioXRadio

I think we know that. What's up, everyone?

@NixFred

Well, I'll just be in the corner if you guys need me.

@StudioXRadio

This is great. And somebody said they don't like Discord because they're Gen X. It took me I'm Gen X.

@StudioXRadio

I'm about four years in, and I'm just starting to like it. So don't give up.

@StudioXRadio

I think you could like it. I think you could get there.

@StudioXRadio

Hi, everyone. I'm Studio X Radio, AKA KB2UKA, AKA Doug Serrato.

@StudioXRadio

I have a lot of aliases out there. Real quick, let me just give you my dev background, which is nothing, okay?

@StudioXRadio

I own a financial advisory firm. In March, April of this year, I started teaching myself how to use LLMs and prompting AI.

@StudioXRadio

I've always been a glorified dork, and I'm an amateur radio operator, actually. It's been a hobby of mine since I was 12 years old.

@StudioXRadio

And what got me interested in working with AI, there was no Linux or Mac software-defined radio software that was really readily available. So a buddy and I got together and we created one, which now is the most popular amateur radio software since April.

@StudioXRadio

We have 1,200 users, which is actually big in this niche, and it's really taking off. So I learned how to use AI in what I believe is a difficult way because the software we were building was talking to hardware and complicated hardware, transmitting thousands of watts of power, front end, back end.

@StudioXRadio

And I think that helped me with this M4 project, okay? Now, selfishly, I have a bunch of Mac equipment around here.

@StudioXRadio

Like right now, my daily driver is Omarchi on an i9, a 2020 iMac. And I have an M4 Pro, which I'm not working on yet.

@StudioXRadio

That's next. Mac Mini, which I want to turn into the daily driver, but I figured, let me start with the M4.

@StudioXRadio

So right now in my hand, I believe I'm holding the first USB installer for Omarchi M4 Mac. It just finished completing.

@NixFred

Oh my gosh. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

@ncfrontiersman

You're here first.

@StudioXRadio

All right. Literally, I have not installed it yet. I have it installed on my air, but that was the dev version, okay?

@StudioXRadio

This will be the release. I'm going to test it when this space is over.

@StudioXRadio

So here's where I am. Omarchi now boots natively from the internal SSD on the M4 MacBook Air.

@StudioXRadio

The GPU desktop, trackpad, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth mouse, speaker, audio codec, they're all working. I have USB working on one port.

@StudioXRadio

And I'm probably going to release anyway because that'll be a quick fix. This is going to be a big work in progress.

@StudioXRadio

But the port nearest to the hinge of the monitor, that one's live. This is the big one.

@StudioXRadio

I have actual hardware video decoding. It's supported for H.264 and VP9.

@StudioXRadio

Any unsupported formats or protected content will roll back to CPU rendering. But that's clean as well right now.

@StudioXRadio

And from my research, Mac actually does that, but they have more supported hardware profiles than this has yet, but it will have more. What else?

@StudioXRadio

This builds on Omarchi, Ashi, and Gravity Linux. I was adapting, integrating, debugging, and packaging that stack specifically for the M4 Air.

@StudioXRadio

And like I said, the first private installer is ready. It's in my hand.

@StudioXRadio

And when this ends, I'm going to go through I'm going to wipe my dev build off the Mac Air. I'm going to reload.

@StudioXRadio

I'm going to launch macOS. I'm going to pop this bad boy in.

@StudioXRadio

And I'm going to run through the tests as any of you would. And somebody earlier also mentioned that we don't want to do releases till we know things won't break anything.

@StudioXRadio

So this is an experiment, and I agree with that. This is an experimental release.

@StudioXRadio

And when I open up the repo, I'm going to put a very big disclaimer that if you're a daily Mac user and you're not into deving and prompting AI and all of that, I'm not going to recommend they download it yet. But the community's been asking for it.

@StudioXRadio

It does work. So I'm going to release it into the wild, hopefully in the next couple of hours.

@ncfrontiersman

That's amazing, man. Great job.

@NixFred

You talk about you're a new guy, but man, the things that you're talking about and dropping are you're not new. That's ridiculous.

@StudioXRadio

Well, in the world of AI, we're getting new LLMs every two weeks. So I guess you're right. I'm not new.

@NixFred

In that case, we're all new, man. And I truly believe that we this is like we're not even 10% done. I think that we still will look back at this time with AI and laugh about how.

@StudioXRadio

Inferior.

@NixFred

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. No kidding.

@StudioXRadio

I agree. It's a load of fun. Like I said, this was something I was always interested in.

@StudioXRadio

I sat down multiple times in the last 35 years. I'm 46 years old with coding books and teaching myself to code.

@StudioXRadio

And then babies came and the wife came and business came, and I just never brought myself to get proficient in it. And like I tell a lot of people, when the chainsaw was invented, I didn't see too many lumberjacks swinging an axe anymore, right?

@StudioXRadio

So I'm loving it. And I'm very happy to be here.

@StudioXRadio

So thanks for asking me to speak.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah, yeah. Great to have you. Thanks for all you're doing.

@ncfrontiersman

Can't wait to see it when you get it released, man. So wonderful.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Let's see.

@ncfrontiersman

I think Mastermind. Is that right?

@NixFred

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

That's the reminder?

@NixFred

What's up, man?

@MasterMynd2004

Hey, what's going on, everyone? How's everyone's Sunday?

@NixFred

It's doing great, man.

@MasterMynd2004

Yeah. This is fun to bring up. I have what I I stumbled onto a fun project, a side project.

@MasterMynd2004

I do have other projects, but those are with partners and stuff. But this is a fun side project.

@MasterMynd2004

And a bit of background. I was helping out a friend.

@MasterMynd2004

I have a friend who's a chef. And he has a restaurant, but a large part of his business is catering.

@MasterMynd2004

So he was having kind of problems with staffing about a year and a half ago. And I said, you know what?

@MasterMynd2004

On catering, just forward just use my number and forward all the calls to me. I'll help you out for a few weeks.

@MasterMynd2004

Because I'm thinking, what's the big deal? It's just catering, right?

@MasterMynd2004

People call and you just take their stuff, what they want or their order, and then you just kind of move from there. And I learned very quickly it was a bit more than that.

@MasterMynd2004

As a matter of fact, it kind of sucked. I mean, quoting and invoicing and all that stuff.

@MasterMynd2004

So what I did was I embarked on a fun side project to replace myself.

@NixFred

Wow.

@MasterMynd2004

So I built a platform that does all of the admin for catering, except for one step. And that one step is just approving the quote. Intake, responding to customer questions, providing the digital menu, creating a quote, sending invoice, booking through calendar, all of it done.

@MasterMynd2004

This is all automated. So I did this for my friend.

@MasterMynd2004

Here's the issue. Not only has he been telling because and also, I have another feature in there called Zara, which he can change all of his configurations, like his taxes.

@MasterMynd2004

If he wanted to change menu items and prices, all that, he can do that through he does that through WhatsApp.

@NixFred

Wow.

@MasterMynd2004

Like he just Zara asked him when he first onboarded, Zara will say, "Hey, I'm Zara. These are the things that you can change. If you want to change these things or amend anything, just let me know.

@MasterMynd2004

Just message me like you would anyone else." And so if he wants to change his deposit amount from 50% for the first invoice and then 50% for a second invoice, if he wants to change that to 40/60, all he has to do is just message Zara.

@MasterMynd2004

Zara will go make the change and it will update the system and the invoices will go out as scheduled with the right amount. So right now, I think he can do six or seven configuration changes.

@MasterMynd2004

And he can do that through either or maybe you can do it through Telegram, WhatsApp, email, or SMS.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I mean, I think.

@MasterMynd2004

So here's the.

@ncfrontiersman

Okay, go ahead. Yeah, I was just going to say, I think the future of user interfaces, some of it might be just natural language communication, which is why we're in that world.

@MasterMynd2004

Yeah. It's why we're in that world. And the reason I did this is because people that are in the food business are very busy.

@MasterMynd2004

So I didn't want to make another platform, another app, or anything like that. I just wanted them to use the tools that they use every day naturally.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@MasterMynd2004

So that's why I did that. Here's the problem. I did this for him.

@MasterMynd2004

It worked great. It was a very fun project.

@MasterMynd2004

Everything is cool. He started mentioning it, and I just kind of mention it to people every now and then.

@MasterMynd2004

Now I have a few more restaurants that would like to come on like a 30-day trial or something or would like to try it. But I need to productize it.

@MasterMynd2004

This is where I'm running into I don't have the time I have a website, which I will never show anyone because it's horrible. But I have everything up and running.

@MasterMynd2004

I have that running. I have another feature where it's kind of like a dashboard, but it's a bit more simple, but it's mobile-first.

@MasterMynd2004

So you can only get it on your mobile phone. It will come to you.

@MasterMynd2004

So the thing is, I'm stuck because the way I built it for him, it won't really scale past probably about I wouldn't do 40, 30 customers on it, anything more than that. It's not going to scale.

@NixFred

So you're already on the right track. The main thing I believe that you're doing correctly is showing value first. You got that down.

@NixFred

The next thing you're doing right is not adding another avenue or communication method that they have to yet again, no check. You're meeting your customers where they are.

@NixFred

And let me tell you, Masterminder, the best problem you can possibly have is trying to figure out how to scale 45 customers.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@MasterMynd2004

The question is, what do I because at that point, then I got to put some real money into it to say, stand it up in AWS or something. But I think the question I have to the room is how to move forward. I have to now productize this thing.

@MasterMynd2004

That's me. I got to think about marketing.

@MasterMynd2004

I got to think about all this stuff. And it's like, ah.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, I mean, you can only think about one thing at a time. And to me, it sounds like I mean, marketing's already handled at this point, it seems like, because you've already got customers lining up and word of mouth.

@MasterMynd2004

Yeah. I mean, not that many. I don't have that many, but I have a lot of interest.

@MasterMynd2004

And I'm enjoying the conversations. But I'm just wondering what to do from here now.

@MasterMynd2004

Do I just serve these few and then just kind of leave it there? Should I.

@NixFred

That's exactly right. Don't spend a penny on marketing. Keep servicing your customers.

@NixFred

And marketing is paying for the next customer. You've already got your next customer.

@NixFred

Focus on that.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I would say, so word of mouth, they start using it, they start loving it, they're going to tell their friends, and then the friends are going to tell their friends.

@ncfrontiersman

And you don't want to have more customers than you can handle either because that's a nightmare too. So let it happen organically.

@ncfrontiersman

And also, I'd be happy to have a chat with you about productizing it and thinking about there's ways with AI. You can say, "Hey, I built this thing over here.

@ncfrontiersman

Deconstruct the behavior from it and the specifications. And then let's make these adjustments and build a new productized version of it."

@ncfrontiersman

So almost treat it like a prototype and say, "Now knowing that it's solving a real problem, let's build the real thing that can handle multiple," like what they call multi-tenant situation, right? And then go from there.

@ncfrontiersman

And actually, they've gotten really good at that. If you point agents at something that's already built, you're just doing refactoring.

@ncfrontiersman

That goes pretty well. So happy to chat with you.

@ncfrontiersman

If you want to send me and Fred a message, we can.

@NixFred

Yeah. And Wes can help you with the marketing. He's an expert at that.

@NixFred

And my career in technology has been scaling to millions of users. So I'll be happy to help you get there.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@MasterMynd2004

I don't know about listen. Listen, if I can get based on the pricing that I've already kind of have in my head, listen, if I can get to 100 users, I might just sell it and keep it moving. I mean, think about it.

@MasterMynd2004

I mean.

@NixFred

I'll come work for you, man. Send me up.

@MasterMynd2004

You know, it's one of these things that you try to make a determination based on the time you have and the amount of investment you really want to put into it because I have other things that I'm also doing. But it was a fun project because I was doing it for a friend, right? And I just find it interesting that other people are interested in it.

@MasterMynd2004

But at the same time, I have to be realistic and say, "Okay, do I go for it? Do I just service a few customers and then that's it?

@MasterMynd2004

What do you do from there?"

@ncfrontiersman

I mean.

@MasterMynd2004

Now you're going to need some help. Right now, I have right now, I have everything is automated. I've automated so if anything goes wrong with the system, I get over to Telegram.

@MasterMynd2004

I get the message. Here's what's wrong.

@MasterMynd2004

Here's a suggested fix, blah, blah. So I have that going.

@MasterMynd2004

But I don't know. I'll contact you guys.

@MasterMynd2004

Really great space.

@MasterMynd2004

Hopefully, we'll have a conversation about it. But it's really inspiring to hear other people building things and doing stuff.

@ncfrontiersman

You're building for the restaurant industry. I was just talking about this in a tweet earlier about how I think the future of software is not building software for other developers. There was a whole phase of that where all of these were built.

@ncfrontiersman

And I'm like, "No, it's for the small businesses. It's for the freelancers and the one-man show that are going on."

@ncfrontiersman

To me, that's where I see a lot of interesting things happening, so.

@MasterMynd2004

Yeah. And the whole messaging thing is interesting too because now we have to think with me being older, I'm thinking like, "Okay, maybe people are going to go towards voice." Interestingly enough, they don't want to go towards voice yet.

@MasterMynd2004

They don't want to do voice. They want to do messaging.

@MasterMynd2004

That's what they're used to.

@ncfrontiersman

Oh, I see.

@MasterMynd2004

That's what they're comfortable with. That's it, right? And so that's where I stopped.

@MasterMynd2004

I'm like, "I'm not going to do voice for configuration changes yet or anything." People want and young people just want to message.

@MasterMynd2004

They don't want to talk.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I don't get it either, bro. I'm all about just getting on the phone, but it's all.

@MasterMynd2004

Yeah. That's how it is. And then people just want to do they want to message and then have things happen, right?

@MasterMynd2004

They want to message. So even if and I think people who do websites, designers for websites, when people want to change their hours of operation, a lot of times they have to call their designer to have them change it.

@MasterMynd2004

Why not just have them just do the integrations and just have people so they can message and change their hours of operation, address, phone number, blah, blah, blah, without having to fool with a designer, a website designer to make minor changes.

@NixFred

Yeah. And you mentioned something important about your time. AI has made it where your most critical resource is your time because like my grandfather used to say, "We can do anything we want.

@NixFred

We just can't do it all."

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. So true. So true.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, thanks for speaking up and looking forward to talking to you a little bit later. Hope you have a great week.

@ncfrontiersman

Fred, you got the next one?

@NixFred

Yeah. My man, Heath, what's up, brother?

@NixFred

Heath?

@MuchmoreIT

Sorry. Sorry. I had myself double-muted.

@NixFred

Yeah, brother. Hey, man. It's good to hear your voice.

@NixFred

I want to just note here, disclaimer. I know Heath in real life, so just let everybody know that.

@NixFred

Heath, I know what you're working on this week. It was pretty freaking huge.

@NixFred

Are you able to talk about that in general terms?

@MuchmoreIT

Which one?

@NixFred

Well, I'm going to let you pick because I don't want to even hint at it. You're doing government, like high-level million GPU stuff.

@MuchmoreIT

Yeah. So there's an interesting series of things. And I just want to say, I think I saw called the Construct out there.

@MuchmoreIT

So me and him have been chatting on the back end a little bit to talk about the security aspect that I kind of revealed a while ago. And so in my world, in the federal world, we do these things or we have to use these things called STIGs, Security Template Implementation Guides.

@MuchmoreIT

And basically, it's just how dumb can I make Windows or Unix or Linux or whatever it is? And it breaks everything pretty severely because you're tapping the brakes pretty heavily in a security realm.

@MuchmoreIT

And so then ports stop working and all kinds of things. So some of that's been kind of going on.

@MuchmoreIT

I've been having Claude help me out in that realm. And then so on the bigger pieces, there's some interesting things happening because Wes and I kind of share an interest in weather.

@MuchmoreIT

And so I work with NOAA pretty regularly in my current job on the supercomputers that they use to produce the hurricane models. And so living in Florida most of my life, but I created my own model mechanism.

@MuchmoreIT

And so if you've seen me posting this week, I was showing my tracker. And part of what I do from a scientific perspective is find out how accurate each of the models are because we all love watching spaghetti models on the weather channel, but what does it really mean?

@MuchmoreIT

And so that's where some of my research is going. And then in regards to the, I'll call it the panic in the public around the federal government having a lot of AI, we have a lot more than you could possibly dream about.

@MuchmoreIT

So worrying about what they're going to have, I would say it's too late just due to the size. And then so my super big project right now is I know everybody's probably a big NVIDIA fan, but I'm a former AMDer.

@MuchmoreIT

So AMD has a new system coming out called Helios. And it's going to be super competitive on par, basically, with anything that NVIDIA can throw at it.

@MuchmoreIT

But just to kind of give you an example of the problems that I have to solve is working in the power realms. So it's roughly 235 kilowatts per rack.

@MuchmoreIT

Now, you might say, "What does that have to do with Omarchy Linux?" So that goes back to that STIGging thing, right, is that we need to speed up development inside of all of our federal environments and running a standard Ubuntu-style Linux that's bloated with all the stuff.

@MuchmoreIT

That slows a lot of my people down. And so this customer in particular, they're talking about buying 12 of these racks, 235 kilowatts a rack.

@MuchmoreIT

And that's going to be their new AI system that they're bringing online. So part of this is just trying to weave a bunch of things together.

@MuchmoreIT

And then all that, if anybody's interested in understanding, I think I can't remember which one of you guys made the game, Wes. Was that you that made the old school?

@NixFred

I think that's Chris.

@MuchmoreIT

Or Chris. Yeah, yeah. So I'm a former F-117A guy.

@MuchmoreIT

So if anybody remembers the old flight sim game, so that's the other one of my projects. I'm making an Omarchi desktop of MicroPose's version.

@NixFred

But hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Tell them why you know about the 117.

@MuchmoreIT

Oh, well, because I was avionics on the 117.

@ncfrontiersman

We got to talk, Heath. You're in weather, you're in avionics. This is all my favorite things.

@MuchmoreIT

Yeah. No, I mean, you have been on my list to get some time with. I'm glad October's here because it's finally, I'll call it an airport slow time for me.

@MuchmoreIT

But it's one of those things. Yeah.

@MuchmoreIT

So MicroPose got a lot wrong in the game back in the day. So what I'm kind of basically doing is I'm going to create an Omarchi desktop connector game kind of thing.

@MuchmoreIT

And so it's in the works. I've got the rudimentary framework kind of ready.

@MuchmoreIT

Now I'm getting a lot of the underlying code written. So I'm trying to make it a little more realistic.

@MuchmoreIT

And so so far, so good. I don't have anything quite ready to reveal yet because the demo crashes quite a bit.

@MuchmoreIT

But so that's kind of where I'm at in my world, so.

@NixFred

That's amazing, Wes. Heath, appreciate that. And you're always welcome to drop by here.

@NixFred

Folks, if you don't follow Heath, do yourself a favor. The guy's working on ridiculous huge scale.

@NixFred

I say I know how to scale stuff. Heath scales me.

@MuchmoreIT

I don't know about that, brother. Man, I appreciate the kind words, man. We're all we all make stuff fit together, and I can't do stuff without you guys.

@MuchmoreIT

And it's all a big fun global team, so.

@NixFred

Wonderful. Awesome. I'll chat with you Monday.

@NixFred

I want to hear more about what you can talk about later.

@MuchmoreIT

Yeah. So I finally got clearance from my company's legal about all my patents. So I can finally unshelve those and let you have a peek behind the scenes on that.

@MuchmoreIT

So if anybody has quantum encryption interests, you'd be interested in this. So I might be able to start opening up on that one, so.

@NixFred

Wow. Amazing stuff. I don't know how you do it, brother.

@NixFred

Well, hey, thanks for coming by, man. And we'll talk to you this week.

@NixFred

And please join us every Sunday and regale us so we can dream about the big stuff.

@ncfrontiersman

Yep. Wonderful. Okay.

@ncfrontiersman

So it looks like we got James. And I was curious if Catherine had an update on the newsletter.

@ncfrontiersman

I don't know. But if you want to request to speak.

@ncfrontiersman

If not, that's okay too. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

But James, what's going on?

@NixFred

Hey, James, you might want to unmute just so everybody knows James is in Singapore up at what is now, what, 4:30 in the morning. So thanks for coming by, James. Can't hear you, brother.

@NixFred

Can't hear you. Keep trying, man.

@NixFred

We want to hear what you got to say.

@JamesTervit

Is that no?

@NixFred

There you are.

@JamesTervit

Man, I don't know what goes on with spaces. It changes my microphone. Every time I come in, it changes onto something else.

@NixFred

Hey, lean into that thing just a little bit, buddy.

@JamesTervit

How's that? Is that better?

@NixFred

A little bit better.

@JamesTervit

Man, I'm right up close to my microphone. I don't know what's going on. Let me just see if I can check it.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. You're good to me, James.

@NixFred

Yeah. Keep running. Keep running.

@JamesTervit

Yeah. It's okay?

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah.

@JamesTervit

Okay. Cool. Yeah.

@JamesTervit

Thanks, Wes. Thanks for pulling me up.

@JamesTervit

And also thanks for Fred for highlighting that you guys were on a Sunday, which is my Monday morning time because Singapore is about 12 hours ahead of you guys. So it's quite hard to try and catch the stateside stuff running at this time, but glad to join in.

@JamesTervit

I mean, there's so much stuff that you guys have spoke about in this stuff that is so relative to stuff that I've been doing in the past. And what brought me into Omarchi was Andrew Boyd's T1 bridge, right?

@JamesTervit

Because I had a MacBook 2017, which was just basically collecting dust. And for the first time, I was able to actually get a Linux build, which went straight on there, and everything just worked.

@JamesTervit

And I was like, "Oh, that's a bit different." That's what got me hooked on Omarchi.

@JamesTervit

And then I started dabbling with putting my I've got a little animated character which goes on the desktop, and he interfaces via voice for agent type stuff. So I put that on the same day and I was like, "Well, this is different."

@JamesTervit

I've been able to actually get all of this done in a single day. So that was a first.

@JamesTervit

And so that's what got me hooked up with you guys. And Fred and I had a really good discussion yesterday.

@JamesTervit

I think an hour and a half just went past in five minutes, it seems, because we had so much to talk about, so much in common, and so on. So Omarchi, for me, is a total game changer in terms of just getting things up and running fast.

@JamesTervit

I don't know of any other distribution that's been able to do that. I've dabbled with a lot of them, like Linux, Mint, and the Arch flavors that's out there.

@JamesTervit

I've dabbled in some of the security stuff. I know someone was talking about dev security.

@JamesTervit

I've been working with NVIDIA Morpheus way back in as early as 2019 when I was messing with Matplotlib and DeepSeek and MassScan and various other parsing tools that allows you to visualize traffic and so on. So that got me into AI and whatnot.

@JamesTervit

So the dev security side was really interesting. And then someone had to go and mention radio.

@JamesTervit

So I've been into packet radio way back since the bulletin board days because we were trying to distribute as cheaply as possible a lot of data, right? So radio is definitely something that's right on my list because I've been messing with embedded systems and dealing with LoRaWAN and all this kind of modern type low-bandwidth type stuff, which is really, really interesting.

@JamesTervit

And then someone mentioned about the eye tracking thing, which is beyond useful because I did head tracking back in 2015 because I couldn't actually run a game because there was too many controls and so on. So head tracking was something that I did from just a webcam.

@JamesTervit

So the eye tracking thing is super useful. And I think it's a total game changer, especially when you're dealing with people with disabilities.

@JamesTervit

And I think it really highlights the discussion that we had with Lee, Fred, about his angle in terms of bringing all the stuff that he's doing into Omarchi. And man, what a community.

@JamesTervit

Unbelievable stuff. I mean, there's just so much to talk about.

@JamesTervit

I don't even know where to end because I could basically hijack this whole thing for the next two weeks. But anyway, thanks, guys, for letting me on.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. We're not going anywhere.

@ncfrontiersman

So you can come back next week and the week after and the week after. This feels like testimony hour almost.

@ncfrontiersman

So this is good stuff. It's good to hear from you.

@ncfrontiersman

Hopefully, you can get some rest soon.

@JamesTervit

Yeah. Well, it's par for the course when you're in this industry, right? It's like sleep is like a second thing that you don't do anymore.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. You sleep when you're dead, right?

@JamesTervit

100%. Yeah.

@NixFred

Hey, James, thanks for coming by. And let's set up the next one-on-one Zoom. I feel like I only heard about a quarter of your story.

@JamesTervit

Yeah. 100%, Fred. I don't know what's going on, but I think Wes could hear me.

@JamesTervit

And everyone else can hear me okay. But yeah, this is spaces for you.

@JamesTervit

This is buggy as hell. It always never ever goes smoothly.

@MuchmoreIT

Yeah. This is Heath. I want to say hi to James real quick.

@MuchmoreIT

James, I have another project that you and I should probably talk about. It's an Omarchi desktop for software-defined radio receivers.

@MuchmoreIT

So yeah, you and I should probably chat about that.

@JamesTervit

Yeah. Definitely. 100%.

@JamesTervit

Actually, just something I didn't speak about, Wes, for me. I'm running an app called Omarchi at work, which when I first set up my laptop, I kind of thought, "I don't have enough monitor connections to connect another monitor."

@JamesTervit

So I decided that I was going to build a virtual monitor into another browser on another connected LAN PC. And I got that running really great.

@JamesTervit

So I'm going to launch that fairly soon. I think that will be kind of awesome.

@ncfrontiersman

Cool. Omarchi Warp, you said?

@JamesTervit

Yeah. And it just allows you to apply another screen to a browser on your LAN. And it works flawlessly because if you take your mouse, like you have a dual screen, and your mouse goes from the main monitor to your second attached monitor, it just fluidly goes across, which is great.

@JamesTervit

So I've been using that. So it's kind of awesome.

@ncfrontiersman

Very cool. Well, it's good to hear from you. We do have one speaker, special guest, coming up here shortly.

@ncfrontiersman

But I just wanted to mention that Tim set up a group chat for us all on X. We'll try to get everybody added there.

@ncfrontiersman

Just wanted to mention that's coming soon. I don't know if there's a way to share a link.

@ncfrontiersman

We haven't been able to get the chat here, but we'll all get in that group chat, and then we can start there. And maybe Slack will come later if that doesn't work out.

@ncfrontiersman

But yeah, just wanted to share that.

@NixFred

I just retweeted the invitation. So jump in there. Thanks to Tim Sooner for doing that.

@NixFred

And we'll get everybody added. And again, Wes, I'll hand it back to you.

@NixFred

But please follow everybody here. I'm following people as quick as I can.

@NixFred

We all have the same desires.

@NixFred

We're all centered on Omarchi and helping other people. So you're not going to find a better list of people that care about Omarchi than right here.

@NixFred

So follow everybody. And I'm getting to everybody as soon as I can.

@NixFred

I'm getting rate limited.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Cool. Well, hey, we've got the builder of a little unknown tool called Flee.

@ncfrontiersman

I don't know if you've heard of it. I'm just kidding.

@ncfrontiersman

This thing is taking off. So GM, what's going on?

@ncfrontiersman

You got some cool news. I saw you landed on GitHub's homepage, basically, right?

@thisisgm

Yeah. Hi, everyone.

@ncfrontiersman

Hey, what's up, GM?

@thisisgm

What up? It's been an interesting week, for sure.

@thisisgm

So let me take you back to, I don't know, Wednesday. Wednesday, I basically ran out of tokens.

@thisisgm

And I was like, "Okay. Yeah, sure."

@thisisgm

Like a week of five-day downtime won't affect much. Then I got sponsored another clothes up by the people at Super Whisper.

@thisisgm

Those guys are awesome. And then I started fine-tuning performance even more to the point where I was measuring the input latency from key to key in off file managers.

@thisisgm

It turns out Dolphin was the best at it at around 11 milliseconds per key. I tried to match it.

@thisisgm

I got close. And I basically managed to fit in a bunch of features.

@thisisgm

Then Friday hits and Neil from Super Whisper messages me like, "Hey, in Omarchi's dev branch, you team got updated to 6.12, and that breaks Flee. Just a heads up."

@thisisgm

And I was like, "Sure. It's going to take a few weeks to get to stable."

@thisisgm

Nope. Everybody on stable got the update.

@thisisgm

So Flee was broken. And then I post yesterday night like, "Hey, can you guys confirm if you guys are getting QT 6.12 on stable?"

@thisisgm

And who of all people replies? Of course, DHH himself.

@thisisgm

Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

Wow.

@thisisgm

So I basically, in the middle of my panic, I had to basically push all the work from Wednesday until yesterday to a few days from now for 0.3.10. And yeah, it's been an interesting weekend. That's the summary of it.

@ncfrontiersman

Been a wild ride. Yeah. Wow.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. I don't know.

@ncfrontiersman

I love this about X in general, the idea that anybody can get in front of anybody and talk to anybody. We're all on the same level playing field, I think.

@ncfrontiersman

And other social media is not quite like that, other avenues. So the fact that we can just talk to DHH or just talk to the GitHub people or just talk to the Super Whisper people and get these people all listening, I think it's cool.

@ncfrontiersman

It's a cool world.

@thisisgm

Yeah. And I'm seeing he's here. And I want to give a huge shout-out to I do not want to butcher your name because I'm so thankful.

@thisisgm

So I'm sorry in advance. But Tunda, he's the CEO of Cero Ramp.

@thisisgm

They sponsored another 200 AI software for Flee.

@ncfrontiersman

Wow.

@thisisgm

And I just wanted to say thank you in front of everyone.

@ncfrontiersman

Thank you, Tunda. That's great.

@thisisgm

And I wanted to mention for you guys who don't know, I got a bunch of issues and PRs for Flee, and they are all welcome at all times. So if you have something you want fixed, please address it there because I usually credit most people, even if you just pointed out the issue. So the more the merrier, please contribute.

@thisisgm

It's all like at the end of the day, it does not matter what file manager you actually end up using. At the end of the day, we're all using Linux OS.

@thisisgm

It's whatever you want it to be.

@ncfrontiersman

Right. Wonderful. Well, is there anything that we can help with as a community that you need help?

@ncfrontiersman

Are you feeling overwhelmed with PRs or issues? Do you need some of us to jump on and help you triage them?

@ncfrontiersman

We're happy to help, man.

@thisisgm

I would love people testing stuff, like trying to break the app. That's the thing that AI is like. It can do it, but my tokens are directed at the new features and fixing the GitHub issues and all that.

@thisisgm

So if you can just battery test the app, just click around, try to break it so I can spot the things that AI can't, then.

@NixFred

Oh, that's my specialty, is breaking stuff.

@ncfrontiersman

Oh, couldn't hear you, Fred.

@NixFred

That's my specialty, is breaking stuff.

@thisisgm

Yeah. And I also wanted to shout out Chris, who's the creator of the Atmos manager. It's a great app.

@thisisgm

It does a bunch of things. If you can break that app as well, please do.

@ncfrontiersman

Awesome. Well, hey, thanks for sharing. And I'm really happy to see the success that you're having.

@ncfrontiersman

And I love Flee. It's so dialed in, man.

@ncfrontiersman

It is so good. So I just appreciate all the work there.

@ncfrontiersman

And yeah, let's all try to help. Let's try to let's test the heck out of it and see if we can find some edge cases and then write up issues or even PRs to fix it if we find it, so.

@thisisgm

Yeah. I am beyond thankful for everyone who uses the app, for everyone who contributes, for everyone who has even donated to the project. You guys have to understand, it was just me with an idea of a Flea market being a file manager one month ago basically in my apartment.

@thisisgm

And it's now a whole thing worldwide. And to me, that's insane.

@NixFred

So GM, are you telling us that every single person in this space that has an idea can do it?

@thisisgm

Of course. If I did with a 9-to-5 and with limited budget and tokens and time and all the excuses that people use to not make stuff, just prompt the AI, make something, put it out there.

@NixFred

Awesome, brother. Awesome, brother.

@ncfrontiersman

What a story. What a story. I mean, I feel like you're going to be one of those people they make a documentary about one day, like the Facebook ones, social, in a good way.

@thisisgm

Let's not get carried away. It's a file manager. But thank you.

@ncfrontiersman

This is just the start for you. I got a feeling. This is awesome.

@thisisgm

I hope, brother. I hope.

@ncfrontiersman

Wonderful. Well, anybody else got anything you want to speak? I think we're coming up at about an hour and 25 here.

@ncfrontiersman

We got time for a little bit more. This has been such a great one this week.

@ncfrontiersman

I feel like every week is better, which is pretty cool, so.

@NixFred

We got Hancore. Hancore, you want to jump in, man? We'd love to hear from you.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. And no pressure if you don't want to. If you just want to kind of work, that's all good too.

@NixFred

Or Chris Hollis is out there.

@ncfrontiersman

Those are great folks.

@NixFred

Tundy?

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Yeah. Chris, you want to talk about Atmos a little bit?

@ncfrontiersman

Let's see if we get a request.

@NixFred

I'm not seeing them. I'm not seeing them.

@ncfrontiersman

Okay.

@NixFred

Tech Luddites out there?

@ncfrontiersman

Got time for one more person that wants to hop in.

@NixFred

Oh, here we go. All right. It's going to be it's going to be Atmos.

@ncfrontiersman

All right.

@NixFred

How am I sounding, Wes?

@ncfrontiersman

You're good.

@NixFred

Okay. Cool.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Chris? I hear a dog barking, though.

@NixFred

Let me mute out. Sorry.

@ncfrontiersman

That's okay.

@ncfrontiersman

All right, Chris, you're up.

@hicsfh

Okay. Hey. What do you guys want to know?

@ncfrontiersman

What's the.

@hicsfh

Well, for people that aren't aware, what is Atmos, basically? All right. Yeah.

@hicsfh

That's a pretty good question.

@hicsfh

I've been thinking a lot about it because when I post about it, I write Atmos is like a config, configuration center, control panel, preference pane, monitoring thing. I don't really know what it is, to be honest.

@hicsfh

It does a lot of different things. And I don't know if it has a distinct one category yet.

@hicsfh

I just know that when you go to Windows, I always felt like in the control center there or panel, I think it's called.

@ncfrontiersman

Control panel, yeah.

@hicsfh

Yeah. It was never really it was never really as good as it could be. And the same thing when you're on a Mac.

@hicsfh

I'm sure most of you who've been on Mac OS for a long time have noticed how when you search for things, it doesn't bring up the thing that you need, even though it's super obvious, even in Spotlight. So Atmos is just kind of very similar to Flee, except I don't think it's quite as big.

@hicsfh

And we kind of saw a problem that I could kind of potentially own in a way, not possessively, but that maybe this was something that could be my little slice of the Omachi pie that I could work on and I could contribute on. But you can use Atmos.

@hicsfh

You can install it. I just submitted it to the OPR, so I hope it gets approved there soon.

@hicsfh

And you can use it to essentially configure most of the things that I've found on Omachi. So you can change the themes.

@hicsfh

Of course, you can change all the hyperland stuff. You can set your default applications.

@hicsfh

You can go and look at what kind of machine you have. If you kind of get a kick out of figuring out what all your hardware is called and the SKUs and the serial numbers, you can go in and find most of that stuff.

@hicsfh

You can get Omachi updates. I tried to add a ton of different things because it's kind of like a journey for me where I'm learning.

@hicsfh

And I guess I'm kind of journaling my journey of learning Linux and Omachi at this level into the application itself.

@ncfrontiersman

Wonderful. So it's almost like discoverability. You're building an app that kind of makes it easier to discover all of the settings, the hardware, the config, all the things that are kind of hidden behind the scenes in config files.

@ncfrontiersman

You're kind of bringing that to the front so that it's kind of in one spot. Is that kind of what it is?

@hicsfh

Yeah, pretty much. So I think with Quatro, of course, everybody knows here that Omachi exploded.

@hicsfh

But I think one thing that we need to keep in mind is that it did explode, but it's only on I shouldn't say only, but it is still in a relatively small little microcosm on X relative to the rest of the world. I'm sure most of you have colleagues who are not where you're like, "You should try Omachi," and they're not really getting into it yet.

@hicsfh

And I just wanted to I'm not really into editing all these files by hand, to be honest. I like having a graphical user interface.

@hicsfh

I like visualizing things. I'm not a keyboard whiz.

@hicsfh

I've used computers 35 years at least, or 30. And I've always liked using them on mouse.

@hicsfh

But there's some sort of I think a lot of people have a it's like a badge of honor. If you can use new Vim, I can't.

@hicsfh

And I'm okay with that.

@ncfrontiersman

Hey, that's fine. Yeah. I mean, I think that's what makes Omachi great is you make it what you want it to be, right?

@ncfrontiersman

And for a lot of people, the mouse and graphical is the way to go. I mean, I kind of waffle between the two.

@ncfrontiersman

I love the keyboard now, for sure. But I still like point and click because it's kind of like it's that ADHD thing, I think.

@ncfrontiersman

But in any case, that's really cool what you're building. And I'm glad you're doing it.

@ncfrontiersman

And I'm sure that there's plenty of people out there that are benefiting from it already, so.

@NixFred

Oh, I'm benefiting from it. I use Atmos. I'm not even kidding about every hour.

@NixFred

So much so that I made it a super hot key and made it drop down like a Quake terminal.

@ncfrontiersman

Wow. Oh, there you go.

@NixFred

Just right there and ready to go. Just right there and ready to go.

@ncfrontiersman

Well, I need to check it out. All right. Well, thanks, Chris.

@ncfrontiersman

It's good to hear from you. Fred, you've got.

@hicsfh

If I may, before I go, I just wanted to ask anyone kind of similar to what GM was talking about.

@hicsfh

One of the great things with AI is we got a lot of bandwidth to get a lot of stuff done. But honestly, I think a lot of us building these apps, I think we feel like we have a lot of blind spots, maybe.

@hicsfh

And I'm trying to figure out ways because I'm a software engineer by trade as well. So I have a lot of that stuff on my mind.

@hicsfh

I'm trying to figure out ways to use AI, not just to build things, but also to kind of close those gaps and stuff. And I definitely think that's one of the places where we don't know as an industry how to do that best yet.

@hicsfh

So right now, I think the best way to do it is just having people use it, but then also getting that direct communication to people who are using it. So if you find something not working, instead of just shutting it down and not trying it again, if anyone could reach out or just I would immensely appreciate anyone finding anything wrong with it and letting me know so I can fix it.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Totally. Yeah.

@ncfrontiersman

Yeah. Let Chris know.

@ncfrontiersman

I mean, they can message you or, I guess, file an issue on the GitHub.

@hicsfh

Yeah. I would greatly appreciate it.

@ncfrontiersman

Very good. All right. Well, with Chris, Chris is closing us out.

@ncfrontiersman

So thanks, Chris. And Fred, you got any parting words of wisdom before we wrap?

@NixFred

No, man. Yeah. I appreciate you as always, Wes.

@NixFred

You lead the way in the community, and it's wonderful to follow your leadership. And everybody out there, follow each other while we're still connected.

@NixFred

I'm beating that dead horse, but I really mean it. I'm trying to follow everybody that's here.

@NixFred

Get out there. Be kind to each other.

@NixFred

Help an old lady across the street. And when you get her there, put a marching on her laptop.

@ncfrontiersman

There you go. We need a T-shirt for that, Fred.

@NixFred

That's right. You bet.

@ncfrontiersman

All right, y'all. I hope y'all have a good one. Thank you.

@NixFred

See everybody next week. See everybody next week.

@ncfrontiersman

All right. Bye-bye.

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